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Once again John, you are misrepresenting what has been said. I am NOT agreeing with you. I am sticking with that statement. Unless BSI are also the approvals body for a particular product, then it is not their business to be happy or unhappy with the approval. I have already given you the...

The problem is, that is a really daft question! I have tried several times to explain to you how the standard works, but you simply ignore that and repeat a question which has no relevance and to which there is no meaningful answer. The reason why compliance with the standard is vital is...

Of course the content of "BS 1363-1 1995 incorporating Amendment Nos ...." is the business of that part of BSI which is responsible for the standards themselves, but they have no responsibility for monitoring conformance. Very few standards have any legal standing at all (unless they are...

I have no idea, but as the particular product is certified by ASTA and not BSI, it is actually none of BSI's business.

Wow, what a Doubting Thomas you are! Do you seriously believe that ASTA would have needed to create the two standards referred to (A.S. 153 and A.S. 158) if the plugs conformed to BS 1363-1 as it stands? Taking ThinPlug as an example, the licence number is 987 and the full licence details...

I am familiar with both of the folding plugs mentioned, I use both. I will not pretend that I know what is in the two ASTA standards (A.S. 153 and A.S. 158) as I have not seen them. Neither have I attempted to analyse BS 1363-1 to work out what the exceptions are. For anyone unfamiliar...

Can you give a clue as to what either said?

It is very difficult to answer a question which actually does not reflect the real situation. I would refer you back to what I said earlier about how BS 1363 works, by specifying the shape and size of the plug, and requiring the socket to work correctly with a set of guages which ensure that it...

I do not want to get bogged down in this, it was intended just as an example of what can be done prior to a specific part of BS 1363 being developed. However, I should point out that the two products used in the example are approved to ASTA standards which are BASED on BS 1363, so I do not...

I was a bit puzzled when I saw Simon's post above, and then realised that none of ban-all-sheds posts were showing for me, I have now undone the completely unintentional "ignore" that had become set! Simon has given a very good answer, so I will just add a couple of thoughts. Firstly, I...

I am sorry but I missed this question earlier. I think Ofsted's position is difficult for them. There is evidence that for years, some Ofsted inspectors were writing reports criticising child-care providers for not fitting socket covers. FatallyFlawed challenged Ofsted on this some years...

“I am not sure” because A) it is actually the same question that I had just answered! And B) it is not my petition. I had already said: “Standard plugs are required by BS 1363-1 to not allow any access to live parts when the plug is in place in a socket. Similarly, BS 1363 sockets must...

I am not sure why you asking me that question. The petition appears to be calling for the same dimensional requirements which apply to standard plugs to be applied "to include all plug in devices intended for use in BS1363 sockets". I see no mention of anything else. My own belief is that a...

The answer is already in the standard, just as are the other dimensions. BS 1363-1 defines how a plug's face must cover the line and neutral apertures to a distance of at least 9.5mm from the pin.

There is no incompatibilty between the two statements. One is the general case, the other is a specific example which applies to the product you asked about. The standard requires that when a plug is withdrawn from a socket that the contacts are automatically screened by shutters. The...

I put those words in quotation marks because they are copied and pasted directly from the petition as it appears on the e-petition website. Is this the post you refer to? I imagine it was not answered because there is nothing in the petition which actually refers to "prevention of...

The reasoning behind FatallyFlawed is entirely logical. Starting from the beginning, it is clear that the government committee who wrote ‘Post War Building Study No. 11 – Electrical Installations’ (in January 1944) were aware that there was a child safety issue which should be addressed...

Trevor Ord's petition refers to "ensure that other devices sold for use with13A sockets are compliant with the size requirements of BS1363." It would seem blindingly clear that the standard which does that is BS 1363-1. I am quite certain that the responsible department (Department for...

I have already referred to the problem of comments made by people who do not quite understand how plugs and sockets specifications work. There are two methods of shutter opening specified in BS 1363-2 (sockets). Both methods will operate correctly, providing what is inserted meets the...

Please justify your statement that "most covers are not adding danger if used properly as per the instructions." ALL plug-in covers fail to conform to the correct dimensions! The most popular type (the one which has a feature to allow you to use a plug earth to assist with removal) was...