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  1. FatallyFlawed

    Fatally Flawed - an E-Petition

    This is a complete red herring! What is being called for is that all devices to be plugged into a BS 1363 socket should be regulated to ensure that they meet the same standards that exist for plugs, not some hypothetical non-existent standard. Obfuscation of this sort is very mischievous, and...
  2. FatallyFlawed

    Fatally Flawed - an E-Petition

    There is no UK government requirement for the use of socket covers, similarly there is no Scottish Government requirement. Ofsted specifically prohibits inspectors asking for their use, or mentioning them in their inspection reports. You can view Ofsted's position on page 11 of this...
  3. FatallyFlawed

    Fatally Flawed - an E-Petition

    I get the impression that a number of people making contributions to this thread do not quite understand how plugs and sockets specifications work, and I know from experience elsewhere that it is sometimes thought that plugs are made to fit sockets, whereas the opposite is true. If you look...
  4. FatallyFlawed

    Fatally Flawed - an E-Petition

    Not so. ASTA are one of the "Notified Bodies" able to approve plugs under the plugs and sockets regulations. They also develop ASTA standards where no appropriate standard exists. ASTA were responsible for the original standard for plastic ISODs, later incorporated into BS 1363, and more...
  5. FatallyFlawed

    Fatally Flawed - an E-Petition

    The effects would be to eliminate some dangerous products. Why would you be critical of that?
  6. FatallyFlawed

    Fatally Flawed - an E-Petition

    OK, lets get simple again before all of the eggs are scrambled and the chickens desert the roost. Primary Legislation is not required, there is already legislation which enables the minister concerned to make or amend regulations in the form of a Statutory Instrument (S.I.). The plugs and...
  7. FatallyFlawed

    Fatally Flawed - an E-Petition

    You do not seem to understand that the process for SlimPlug and ThinPlug was not like that, there was no additional legislation which permitted ASTA to produce exceptions to BS 1363 and thereby certify the ThinPlug and the SlimPlug. They have the authority to do that. I am suggesting that it...
  8. FatallyFlawed

    Fatally Flawed - an E-Petition

    For the reasons stated. What about it? Are you suggesting that the pin dimensions are incorrect? Well that's just the point, if something is sold to use with a BS 1363 socket then it clearly should be useable with ALL BS 1363 sockets, not just some. So, it is no use!
  9. FatallyFlawed

    Fatally Flawed - an E-Petition

    There is not a problem with the MK sockets you mention because they use the line/neutral pin method of shutter opening, so putting an inverted plug, socket cover or anything else into the earth aperture does not open the shutters. But, you are absolutely right about extension sockets, which...
  10. FatallyFlawed

    Fatally Flawed - an E-Petition

    I'm sorry to say this John, but you appear to be twisting my words! I am suggesting that a new standard may not be necessary, just as a new standard was not produced to allow the SlimPlug and ThinPlug to be approved. Again, please read what I actually say before responding! Firstly, it...
  11. FatallyFlawed

    Fatally Flawed - an E-Petition

    Getting down to basics, the citizen's job is to call for the Government to protect us from unscrupulous traders, not to tell them exactly how to do it. It looks to me as though Trevor Ord has done a pretty good job in what he has said. The e-petition system only allows a fairly short...
  12. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    Amazon continue to sell these dangerous cables, they clearly believe themselves to be above the law! Since last posting I have ordered and received a further three of the "KING CORO" models described earlier, and have now also received, from an Amazon seller in Hong Kong, another type with a...
  13. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    This is a very confused post which seems to completely ignore the facts. (And, by the way, I do not think that a fire caused by a build up of fluff constitutes an electrical fire!). Suggesting that it is unlikely that a lead will cause a fire when there are a number of reports to the contrary...
  14. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15070760 BBC news report: "A chest freezer may have caused a fire in a north-west London home in which a mother and her five children were killed, London Fire Brigade (LFB) said." If you need that to be explained, you should not be here!
  15. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    Six deaths in the tragic fire in Neasden last weekend reminds us of the possible consequences of an electrical fire, and why legislation such as the Plugs and Sockets Regulations is so important. eBay has been a bit slow in reacting to reports in the past few weeks, but Amazon takes the...
  16. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    But we can, and as engineers should, try! We are making some progress, with the help of my local Trading Standards department. All but two of the illegal listings on ebay which were originally published at www.bs1363.org.uk have been deleted! A further batch has now been published on the...
  17. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    John, you are absolutely right. It would also be not unreasonable to prohibit UK companies from facilitating sales of certain regulated items by sellers who are not based in the UK, that way the number of illegal and dangerous products shipped directly to UK consumers from China etc could be...
  18. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    I have been looking closely at one of the counterfeit plugs fitted with the counterfeit BS 1362 fuses (similar to the one shown at www.bs1363.org.uk ). Although the fuse does have continuity it turns out that the plug wiring bypasses the fuseholder, so it is actually another version of an...
  19. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    I've been thinking about that. Another example of making sure only fully compliant and tested plugs are inserted into sockets. Of course, that is as it should be, but it rather emphasizes the nonsense of allowing completely untested and unregulated socket covers to be marketed freely. We...
  20. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    Sounds like you only looked at the first of three pages of ebay sample listings.
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