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  1. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    True, but a fused plug is defined in BS 1363 as "a plug having provision for a replaceable cartridge fuse link" and the latter must be to BS 1362, so it really does not matter. The pictures posted by timtheenchanter at the top of page 2 show clearly that, uless it is a Tardis plug, there is not...
  2. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    Thanks for that very rational comment, I am sure that you are correct.
  3. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    Thanks Grizzly, that is really useful. It certainly clarifies that it is a very special case and has no impact on the sale of plugs and leads to consumers, or any non-medical user.
  4. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    John, If you had actually looked at the website originally referenced you would have seen that of the 37 sample ebay and Amazon listings of illegal power cords shown only 5 have 2 pin sockets, the other 32 are three pin.
  5. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    BS 1363 is quite specific, clause 12.16 states "Sleeves shall not be fitted to any earthing plug pin." (And, of course, ISODs are not allowed in rewireable plugs, only moulded plugs.)
  6. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    Plugs which incorporate electronic components, eg chargers, are not covered by BS 1363 and therefore cannot be marked BS 1363. They are also excluded from the Plugs and Sockets Regulations. They are subject to BS EN 60950-1:2001. I did not realise that, do you know what standards/regulations...
  7. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    What they are counterfeiting is the approval marks, usually you will find that it is the ASTA mark that is counterfeited, in the case of the fuseless plug at the top of this page it is a CE mark, but as a CE mark is specifically not applicable to UK plugs and sockets then it is doubly wrong.
  8. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    John, You really are missing the point here, it does not matter one iota what you or I think, what matters is that sleeved earth plugs, non-BS 1362 fuses, the total lack of a fuse, and other general non-compliance points like pins too close to the periphery, are all conditions which define a...
  9. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    John, I am not denying that SOME sockets will be like that, but certainly not all! For instance, the standard MK socket which uses simultaneous L/N pin pressure to open the shutters (as sold before the introduction of the Logic Plus type), brings the earth contacts right to the engagement...
  10. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    John, I need to do a sanity check here. Do you understand that a sleeved earth pin often results in no earth connection at all? Power pins mate at the end furthest from the face of the plug, earth pins are designed to mate at the inner end of the pin (to ensure they are the first connection...
  11. FatallyFlawed

    Counterfeit and Illegal Plugs and Leads

    From time to time the subject of counterfeit plugs and power leads is discussed on this and other forums. Counterfeit plugs are often distinguished by having partially sleeved earth pins in clear contravention of BS 1363, that means that they cannot be legally sold (The Plugs & Sockets etc...
  12. FatallyFlawed

    So Sad

    BS 1363 permits plastic earth pins, which are officially ISODs, or Insulated Shutter Opening Devices. Before we started publishing socket cover measurements we took the same measurements for half a dozen plugs (two with ISODs) and half a dozen chargers (all with ISODs). Everyone was good...
  13. FatallyFlawed

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    I see that the discussion went on during the holiday period. This is a perfectly valid point, and we do draw attention to this at http://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/html/other_dangers.html But, there is one clear differentiator between the fixed 13A socket, and other forms of socket danger...
  14. FatallyFlawed

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    Chris kindly told FatallyFlawed where to buy the type he shows, so that we could test some. They are some of the least bad we have seen, and although all of the pins are a little too short to meet BS 1363, the cross section of the pins is correct, but the pin centres are wider than BS 1363...
  15. FatallyFlawed

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    That is correct, and any input to alert us to products which are not currently mentioned on our cover review page is welcomed. (Although they are not yet listed on the review page, we are aware of the model currently sold at B&Q and a model bearing the legend "MLA 1390", both of which have very...
  16. FatallyFlawed

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    No they would be interpreting it correctly. At present a compliant and regulated socket cover is only a hypothetical possibility. Until there is proper regulation and/or at least one supplier offers a cover which is made to the correct dimensions and is fit for purpose, this will remain the...
  17. FatallyFlawed

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    Why would inserting a socket cover prevent an adult plugging in equipment? If they want to use the socket then they will remove the cover first.
  18. FatallyFlawed

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    First let me congratulate FreddyBlogger on distilling agreement from the apparent lack thereof, many thanks! To “size, shape, materials” we would add the need for structural strength (to prevent broken pins) and rigidity (to ensure that cover plates would not deform to facilitate inverted...
  19. FatallyFlawed

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    John, I suppose we have different starting ponts in this situation. I start from the position that ever since BS 1363 was introduced in 1947 sockets made to that standard have been safe, I know of no evidence which suggest otherwise. The responsible UK safety bodies; RoSPA, HSE, Electrical...
  20. FatallyFlawed

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