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OK, do I need to search on your previous comments to find a post of yours to suggest how backward Eastern European countries are? In addition, most pubs that you describe in germany are more like restaurants, there aen't really pubs as such in germany.

See above comment. Maybe there's a link between being a smoker and having a sense of humour. :shock:

I don't think that was the only motivator. There was drink/driving, alcohol awarness, and cheaper booze to drink at home available, plus the pressure on personal expenditure.

Maybe the smokers were the party animals............... Entertaining but toxic.

As as a protaginist in this discussion, I recognise JohnW2's openess and his rather neutral perspective. I, of course, am a non-smoker, or even a reformed smoker, albeit, it was over forty years ago, but I guess you all realised that I'm a non-smoker. Sadly, when I were a lad, I would have...

Cleverly deduced, John. The article also says: "The other was also believed to be dead, it added, although confirmation would have to wait until his body was recovered." This clearly shows the level of force used by the Israelis if they can't find the body. So we'll never know how many...

Fair point, John. I was referring to smoking rather than the issue of patio heaters. Smoking is generally accepted as dangerous to health, and only a very few dispute this, invariably smokers. There is no benefit, other than that to the suppliers, etc. In the case of sport and associated...

Another example of Israeli opening fire on a building and killing those inside. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29323163 Judge, jury and executioner? NB, the article clearly states that the Israelis opened fire fist.

Good point, AS. To go a stage further with H&S. When some habits are incurring enormous additional expenditure, i.e. in National Health areas, etc, doesn't the state have a duty, as well as a right, to attempt to curtail the irresponsible behaviours. There are other types of behaviour that are...

I do applaud your decision to confront issues that you earnestly object to, BAS. However, I do also agree with some other comments. For instance, a) I do think that the GD forum, for all it's problems and weaknesses, is the right place to discuss ethical issues such as yours, even though, on...

You have now displayed your level of intellect and ability to hold any kind of discussion without recourse to insult, yet again. :twisted:

As an example? What's Dropclanger got to do with it? Are you obsessed by this word? Then allow those that do not smoke to live in clean air away from the foul smell of tobacco smoke. Or does that not meet your ideal regime of "live and let live"?

Sometimes I do need to pinch myself to ensure that I'm awake when I read your drivel. You do understand what you are saying is: "I, as a smoker, reserve the right to poison my body, and if the opportunity arises, to do the same to other innocent bystanders, to the point that it seriously...

The Isrealis not only admit to assasinations in other countries but even protect their agents when mistakes are made: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29310798

Under your ideal regime........... don't make me laugh, It would be funny but you really mean it. Well, under your ideal regime, I daren't guess, really. It'd probably be seriously fundamentalist, bigotted and racist You'd still have the audacity to call it freedom.

And perhaps people thanking someone because they thought "what a good post!". Then a response makes them think again, so they remove their thanks. When it's pointed out to them, they realise they've been rumbled and re-apply their thanks. Simple and obvious init?

They choose to do so. They could have left the smokers to go cold. They were only under the pressure of the smokers to provide patio heaters. They don't care if they contract smoking related diseases or even cause such diseases in non-smokers, but hey, they musn't catch cold. :roll: In your...

The mind boggles. If everyone smoked there'd be far fewer customers anyway. Only a biggotted minded idiot could blame the locating of patio heaters on the non-smokers. Have you, just for a second, considered that if no-one smoked patio heaters wouldn't be necessary. Or even if the smokers were...

:roll: Nowhere in the legislation does it mention that landlords must provide heaters for smokers. Your ridiculous assertion has been well dealt with by stivino. Bar staff wanted, only smokers need apply! :roll: Incidentally, it wasn't me. It was a point well made by slup. I think it may...

And you're just the idiot. :roll: Firstly, you blame anti-smokers for landlord's decision to use patio heaters. :roll: As if that isn't stupid enough, you then try to associate anti-smokers with the Greens, and, by intimation, suggest that there is something wrong with being energy...