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Look, you do as you want with your installs and you choose your customers, if you want to run 22mm plastic pipe externally so it freezes, go ahead, no skin off my nose, I am simply pointing out to the public who read these forums that there is always a solution, you do not have to put up with...

I would of thought this is illegal, even the water suppliers cannot cut off your water supply, so I do not see how he can simply shut off the supply and go away on holiday

My customers want a trouble free installation and that is what I give them, all my work is by recomendation, I do not advertise.

Then insulate it and use trace heating, as I said, this is my personal opinion, everyone is free to do as they please, but non of my installed systems have suffered from frozen condense pipes, as I do whatever I think necessary to prevent freezing

Exactly John, we have to understand that the condense will freeze in winter, so we must find alternatives

I have known about trace heating for years, it is nothing new, I always look for a route internally and normally find one, I never use overflow pipe for condense pipes. Minus 15 is happening most years now, so you have to design a system for worst case, even if it is for a few weeks, it is at...

I agree it is not always possible to run internally, but the installer needs to pick the best route, not the easiest, if the pipe must run externally then larger pipes must be used, 40mm or even 50mm if needed, insulation should be provided and trace heating in very exposed areas, it is down to...

Me obviously, because if the manufacturers are saying that the condense can be run externally and they are freezing, then obviously it is NOT ok to run them externally, its not hard to work out, I think you will find that the German regulations forbid the condense to be run externally, why do...

if the condense is run internally it will not freeze, simple and what has rainwater pipes got to do with condensing boilers, you seem to forget that condensing boilers are used all over Europe, and in countries far colder than the UK, the difference is installers there would not install the...

Total nonsense, there is nothing wrong with condensing boilers, if they are installed correctly and commisioned correctly with good controls, unfortunately it is down to useless installations that cause the problems.

That is the point Tony, YOU provide emergency cover, most installers do not do emergency cover work, only installs, I personally do not do emergency work and I am not giving my customers details to other installers in the area

Get 3 plumbers in to quote and ask them, they will be in a far better position to answer than anyone on here, as we do not have the benefit to see the job.

You keep saying this Tony, are you feeling insecure or something, what are you after. a medal, pat on the back or a round of applause, you seem quick to to make derogatory remarks about installers you don't know and have never met, what gives you the right to do this Are you saying that...

Just get 3 quotes before work is started, chat with the installers, ask questions about the quote if you are unsure, I do not understand how you think that by asking on here how much should it cost, you will get the perfect answer, if you are not sure about the installer who you have...

The sensible answer to the OP is get 3 quotes chat to the guys when they are on site, then assess which quote and who came accross more proffessional from your conversations , then make your own informed decision, why do people expect to get advice on here from people they don't know, how...

Why would you powerflush a system that does not require one, if the system is relatively clean why would you powerflush it.

Call in a service engineer, why do you assume they will charge you loads for a call out, ring around a few and ask what their charges are before you ask them to attend

These so called experts pee me off, this is simply his PERSONAL opinion, others may disagree with him, but where are the results from the extensive testing he has done to state that this is the most efficient way to run a system, I would guess there were no tests, so what are these statements...

The Atag is no more complicated then any other boiler, if you so desire you can use any control system with them, you do not have to use the Atag controls

Try asking the installers, how do you expect anyone on a forum to know the full reasons they got a sparks to do it.