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thanks for your solutions chaps..sses.ive looked at iviewcameras dot comand theres a few cameras on there albeit a few a bit pricey.wouldnt mind one thats discreet...maybe slot it in the facia board.theres been aspate of burglaries in the past on our street,even milk has got nicked but i think...

very kind of your info.got a 7lb lump but not 14.probably a cheaper way of doing it. might hire big daddy breaker from center.one question to texmex..would you staart smashing from the corners(weak points??) givin it some flog then using chisel as backup