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ive still got all my fingers after 23 years of joinery :D , but i know plenty of joiners who have a top of a finger/thumb missing :? ( maybe i just dont work fast enough??)

no nails will melt it ...tried it myself to stick some polystyrene to plaster :oops:

you make it sound like im the only one in the world that finds man on man repulsive!! i obviously dont know you personally or your social circle but i think youll find in the real world that most people think its unnatural... to be honest i think ive gone as far as i can with this so for me...

im not trying to evade the question but there is so much i cuold write but in writing id need ten pages , and i wouldnt be able to express my feelings properly ... on a slightly different note , but similar analogy, as regards slipping standards in this country/world, ...the bbc at some point...

a lot of hetro blokes talk of it , whether they actually do it is another matter :shock: it does nothing for me !!! .... for me( a normal bloke) , there is no comparisons with a womans rear end and a blokes , a nice rounded woman against a hairey a##d man...uuuggghhh ...if ya look at my...

no it isnt any of my business , didnt say it was , but i still dont agree with it !!! and i stick by the facts that it lowers the tone of society , best agree to disagree :wink: you wont change my mind and vice versa , just because a politician says its now legal and acceptable doesnt make it...

i think you will find that the 30 foot is the overall span of the house , or 15 foot is the span of the joists between walls

2nd that , just thinking that myself , this is one of the worst sites for it ( if not the worst) , forums are about debate with people having different veiws , and veiws should be respected not with personal insults and smart a##e sarcasm , im all for a bit light hearted banter , but this site...

joints of what???? if you mean joints for the timber ( because 30 foot is too big for one length) then they will join halfway ( which will be on the internal wall) so its irelevent ..

btw , my house from back to front is approx 30 foot

very true ...the only info not given was the span ... for example , based on my house, i have a 60 s semi with traditinal roof and a purlin , as carlday described , the joists run from back to front in line with the rafters ( as they do) ....in the center of the house we have a dividing...

as its a 1920s semi and will have internal brick walls helping to support the joists , if it was me and i needed the space desperately , just for a desk and chair , i would board it and use it ( unofficially ) but wouldnt try to use it as a room with lots of weight in it , as its not got a fire...

25 foot floor is a wide span :shock: how deep are your joists???and 4 inch of sag is one hell of a sag :cry: get some pro advice as , without seeing it , id say it was serious :?

if its a new house and no additional cables and pipes have been fitted then they should run through the centre of the joist , so you shouldnt have to worry about hitting them. :lol:

it was actually just an expression :? ...if you are interested im actually a non believer ( in the LORD) , which is a bit of a problem seeing that everyone else in this house is catholic :?

the nhs is a mess and has been for as long as i can remember , whichever govenment is in power, BUT in the nhs defence , if you take a child in you can jump the queue and they see them straight away, and when my new born baby was 2 weeks old she was took ill and was admitted to hospital...

firstly i didnt say he was a good bloke ,i actually said i admired him , he has acheived a lot in his life up to now , family and careers , and secondly i dont think that there is any need for personal insults ( on another thread) if you cant take debate without name calling yuove missed the...

someones in a bad mood :roll:

nhs direct has helped us lots of times when we had 2 new babies , great for peice of mind when you are inexperienced with children etc

its a book about his upbringing and his meeting cherie blair and getting into the labour party not labour properganda ...considering you dont know my political beleifs its a bit rich of you to say im blinkered :shock: btw my next biography is going to be maggie thatcher , so whats you thoughts...