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Sooey, if one takes the standpoint that faith and science cannot co-exists, then by proving the rule of one you disprove the other. That's what Dawkins is about, in his mind you can't have creative design co-existing with evolution, so by arguing for the one he denies the other.

Why not? Galileo has already been used as an illustration of science overwhelming religion. Who now does not believe that the earth revolves around the sun? Btw, do you mean Hawking, or Dawkins? Guess it doesn't matter for your point.

Oh sooey, next you'll be trying to explain how "The Blind Watchmaker" and "The God Delusion" are not Dawkin's attempts to deny the existence of a god by means of science...

Why so, sooey? Isn't that what Prof. Richard Dawkins has spent his working life doing?

Could say the same for all the brilliant scientific minds that haven't found conclusive proof that a god doesn't exist either. The point I was making about this being a DIY forum is that it's not likely to be the first place you'd look when searching for that first elusive evidence of a...

No Sooey, I'm not saying that. I am saying that I haven't seen any evidence. Slightly different. I think you're saying that too. I'm sure you don't disagree on that.

If you want to run OpenOffice from a memory stick, there's a specific version for that purpose. http://portableapps.com/apps/office/openoffice_portable

I'd view the software downloads as optionals, I would think you'd manage without them but then I've no experience with K9. Let us know how you get on :)

Found this on Experts Exchange, might help? "Try the following: 1. Reboot Windows in Safe Mode 2. Go to the Program Files directory and delete the folder in which it is kept. 3. Go to Start>Run and type msconfig. Find where the K9 loads and untick it from the list. You can also try...

"He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!" Got to be one of the all time classic film lines :lol:

I'm definitely with you on that.

Lets hope we don't get a 15 week long public services strike. "Winter of Discontent 2 - the sequel", anyone....? :(

Yeah, sure, I knew you were joshing :)

Banning religion is just a step beyond telling people how they should practise their religion. Telling people how they can express themselves then becomes telling people what they can and cannot express, which ultimately leads to the banning of independent thought, it's a natural progression...

Mickymoody, I meant "no rules" in terms of aesthetic positioning, but I think you knew that really....?

It's a thread on faitn and religion - at what point did it become an exercise in proving or disproving any given belief system or deity? I said there may be evidence - are you familiar with the hypothetical?

You're missing the point, I'm putting forward a scenario, doesn't mean I have to support it. Evidence is open to interpretation, as I said, life through a lens. Perhaps I should have phrased the point differently.

I can neither believe nor disbelieve in an unknown concept. As the concept is unknown, I cannot ask myself the fundamental question of belief or non-belief. Just my perspective, of course.

Sooey, maybe there is evidence for God's existence, it's just that your current beliefs cause you to evaluate that evidence in a particular way which causes you to discount it as evidence. Just as someone who already has a faith in God will evaluate that evidence to support their beliefs. Which...

I liked the way it was reported on tonight's BBC news that BBC staff will be going on strike on the day of the Tory party conference, and on the day that the results of the spending review is announced. Nothing remotely politically motivated about that then....