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Ah . . . I get it. Yours sounds a better idea as you get a clean face on the noggin. I shall give it a go !! Thanks so much for all your help, Rob

So (and sorry to be thick here) put the new noggin under the ceiling binder, then get some metal straps and screw them either side to both binder and noggin ? Something like this ? Or could I get some 8x2 and screw that directly to the binder, so it drops down where the noggin should...

The"celing binder" runs the full length of the loft space, roughly central, and rougly over the joints of all the joists. As you say, there is no wall underneath the joints. So I'll be OK to fit a new noggin right on the joint, in-between the metal plates ?? (don't panic, not going to...

Hello there, I'm thinking of making my current loft hatch bigger, installing an Abru pre-made jobbie with wooden ladder (B&Q). The existing hatch sits between two joists and in theory I should just be able to move the noggin's along a bit so the new hatch fits. This is the view from...

Loft Hatch