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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    So the boiler and radiators are being replaced today with a Vaillant Combi.
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    I think you might be right… although I would have thought that the issue would be the other way. Typically sludge/blockages I’d expect with central heating at floor level, but not necessarily with only a hot water cylinder.
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    I haven’t looked in the pump and nor have any of the plumbers. I suppose as it is a large 1 bedroom flat all the 5 radiators are floor level to about a metre tall. The last one in the chain which is the furthest away doesn’t heat up as well as the others. The closest one in the bathroom is...
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    The hot water only gets lukewarm whereas it was cold before. The feed is baking hot to the cylinder, the cylinder gets lukewarm, the return is a little less than lukewarm. The CH is hot and working.
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    I can see your point actually. I suppose technical there is a route to the vent through the return pipe and then through the cylinder. It would be against the flow, but if the h/w isn’t on then I suppose the circulation of h/w would not be flowing.
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    Under normal operation when turning on the H/W the central heating zone valve closes and the h/w zone valve opens. The pump on the return leg to the boiler continues to run as I can feel a slight vibration on the return pipe. Thanks for the advice regarding the pump. I’ll certainly have this...
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    i was so mad when discover what he did. I have no issue that the spindle broke as I’m sure it can happen to anyone, but to have no integrity and be deceitful is unforgivable. Unfortunately my experience hasn’t been good this time around with plumbers, hence my post on this forum to gain some...
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    Maybe I miss spoke in my terminology, but he had to change the mechanised valve in the pipe work because the previous plumber broke the spindle and shoved the broken spindle into the back of the motorise box in front and left it like that. This plumber had to then not only change the valve...
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    It is an old potterton kingfisher mf boiler. I’m not sure the size/power variant but I don’t think it is the lowest in the range at the time.
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    I feel the vibrations of the pump and when I turned on the hot water I could feel the return pipe get warmer from the cylinder water that was already warm from the morning. At this point the feed to the cylinder was still cold as the boiler had just started up. I also noticed when the heating...
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    The make and model of the pump is TSG CP53. It is on speed setting 3. You can feel the vibration on the return pipe when the pump is on.
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    i appreciate all the advice you all have already given. Honestly the amount of information you all have shared has been invaluable. So I checked the gate valve is working as it does turn 3-4 times both ways and you can feel the water passing through the return pipe. The system did have a...
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    When the plumber changed the h/w actuator he drained the system from the compression joint on the boiler side of the gate valve. The only way the system would have drained would have been if the gate valve was open. It was also dripping afterwards as the compression nut needed tightening. Also...
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    Understood about the zone valve for h/w although the horizontal leg in real life this is only about 10cm long. The diagram placement of items made it difficult to represent that properly. I should explain that the pipe work for the h/w is short in distance as everything is located in the airing...
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    Thanks for your suggestion. When you say reposition the h/w zone valve are you meaning to physically change the position it is installed? Where else would it go as I assume it should be on the feed pipe going to the cylinder? If I had to drain the system I did consider syphoning off the water in...
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    If I read your suggestion correctly you are basically saying to not drain the system but rather skip that and fill from the drain cock. Instead of refilling from the feed side you are suggesting leaving the zone valves closed and filling the system from the return side via the c/h? This will...
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    I should mention now that it has been suggested that I open the compression joint on the cylinder side that the plumber when draining the system opened the compression joint on the boiler side as I can see the marks left on the compression joint and it was leaking until it was tighten a few days...
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    I’ve tried to layout the diagram exactly how the pipes and joins are connected and the position of the the system components like the pump and valves. So the vented pipe hanging over the f&e is represented correctly.
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    If the gate valve is below the cylinder will it still vent as it seems the the air is higher up in the cylinder coil? I suppose the logic is closing the valve and loosening the compression nut on the cylinder side will force the air to travel down attracted by the opening?
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    Airlock in HW Cylinder Gravity Fed Open Vented HW/CH system

    The only air vent is the overhanging vent above the f&e tank pointing downwards. Other than that there is no other air vents I can find. The gate valve is open as you turn it anti-clockwise. It also stops and doesn’t continue turning.
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