In regards to most wireless linked alarms the wireless equipment does meet the requirements for the use of the licence exempt frequency.No not really I don't believe that any systems should be sold which do not meet the requirements of published standards.
As with all equipment that complies with the licence exempt radio requirements there are compromises. It is the end users responsibility to ensure it is fit for purpose. My concern is that the necessary compromises and their consequences are not made explicitly clear at point of sale so the end user cannot make an informed judgementStandards are there for a reason, to make sure the kit you buy does what it is intended for,
Luckily there is the MOT which removes some of the dangers created by cheap skate car owners who go for the cheapest they can find.Would you try to stop people buying cheap cars?
What? You don't agree that can buy a more secure system for more money?
Would you try to stop people buying cheap cars, cheap TVs, and cheap houses, if they can't afford or don't want better?
Because if he was told it could be 6 in five seconds he would have to admit that a burglar could enter a house without the alarm being triggered. The sensors would send a few alerts and then go to sleep and be kept asleep with the burglar movements.JohnD has never asked for the number of messages that might be lost.
I'd be more interested to find out how long it took him to break in through the open door while the DiY alarm was set and the owner was blissfully unaware of the insecurity offered by the Yale system.I have however asked repeatedly what you think is the probability that an interfering signal will block your sensor at the same fraction of a second that a burglar breaks into your house, and you won't answer.
That's the only question that matters.
No not really I don't believe that any systems should be sold which do not meet the requirements of published standards.
Standards are there for a reason, to make sure the kit you buy does what it is intended for, I fail to see how equipment that does not meet the requirements of the standards can be expected to perform as expected/required.
And the point of all that dribble??No not really I don't believe that any systems should be sold which do not meet the requirements of published standards.
Standards are there for a reason, to make sure the kit you buy does what it is intended for, I fail to see how equipment that does not meet the requirements of the standards can be expected to perform as expected/required.
Well I am glad you have said the above because I for one am convinced that having a Yale sensor in a room is better than having NO SENSOR AT ALL with a Grade2 system.
A certain company fits ONE door contact and THREE pirs and baulks at adding more because their installers have schedules to meet. I know their install takes only 1 hour because one installed at a house next to where I was installing and my install took 2 hours.
What is the point of adding a Grade 2 system when there simply aren't enough sensors to protect the property properly.
My install had an external siren at the front and a dummy siren at the rear as a visual deterrent.
The pro install had simply a dummy siren on the front and nothing at the back which ALL alarm installers know is the MOST VUNERABLE ASPECT.
I also installed a sensor in the garage - the pro company of course did not.
I installed a door contact on the front door and a door contact on the patio door whereas the pro install simply had a door contact on the front door.
I had a pir in the lounge - kitchen - hallway and dining room - of course the pro install had to miss one of those areas out. The hallway as it happens , shame about the front door with glass panels as someone could be in without opening the door and go upstairs and ransack the place and leave without anyone hearing a murmur.
I cringe just as much when I see pro installs offered cheap with 2 pir sensors and a door contact as you guys do at the thought of Yale. In fact I cringe even more.
I also cringe when people point to cheap visonic kits for sale on the net GRADE2 yeahhhhh except again the person fitting does not have a clue about a risk assesment and will buy the cheapest kit thinking because its graded kit he is safe..
oh dear oh dear..
And the point of all that dribble??
No not really I don't believe that any systems should be sold which do not meet the requirements of published standards.
Standards are there for a reason, to make sure the kit you buy does what it is intended for, I fail to see how equipment that does not meet the requirements of the standards can be expected to perform as expected/required.
Well I am glad you have said the above because I for one am convinced that having a Yale sensor in a room is better than having NO SENSOR AT ALL with a Grade2 system.
A certain company fits ONE door contact and THREE pirs and baulks at adding more because their installers have schedules to meet. I know their install takes only 1 hour because one installed at a house next to where I was installing and my install took 2 hours.
What is the point of adding a Grade 2 system when there simply aren't enough sensors to protect the property properly.
My install had an external siren at the front and a dummy siren at the rear as a visual deterrent.
The pro install had simply a dummy siren on the front and nothing at the back which ALL alarm installers know is the MOST VUNERABLE ASPECT.
I also installed a sensor in the garage - the pro company of course did not.
I installed a door contact on the front door and a door contact on the patio door whereas the pro install simply had a door contact on the front door.
I had a pir in the lounge - kitchen - hallway and dining room - of course the pro install had to miss one of those areas out. The hallway as it happens , shame about the front door with glass panels as someone could be in without opening the door and go upstairs and ransack the place and leave without anyone hearing a murmur.
I cringe just as much when I see pro installs offered cheap with 2 pir sensors and a door contact as you guys do at the thought of Yale. In fact I cringe even more.
I also cringe when people point to cheap visonic kits for sale on the net GRADE2 yeahhhhh except again the person fitting does not have a clue about a risk assesment and will buy the cheapest kit thinking because its graded kit he is safe..
oh dear oh dear..
That is correct, and for the umpteenth time the probability depends ENTIRELY on the local use of the channel. You seem unable to realise it or you are just being a totally ignorant troll.I have however asked repeatedly what you think is the probability that an interfering signal will block your sensor at the same fraction of a second that a burglar breaks into your house, and you won't answer.
That's the only question that matters.
No not really I don't believe that any systems should be sold which do not meet the requirements of published standards.
Standards are there for a reason, to make sure the kit you buy does what it is intended for, I fail to see how equipment that does not meet the requirements of the standards can be expected to perform as expected/required.
Well I am glad you have said the above because I for one am convinced that having a Yale sensor in a room is better than having NO SENSOR AT ALL with a Grade2 system.
A certain company fits ONE door contact and THREE pirs and baulks at adding more because their installers have schedules to meet. I know their install takes only 1 hour because one installed at a house next to where I was installing and my install took 2 hours.
What is the point of adding a Grade 2 system when there simply aren't enough sensors to protect the property properly.
My install had an external siren at the front and a dummy siren at the rear as a visual deterrent.
The pro install had simply a dummy siren on the front and nothing at the back which ALL alarm installers know is the MOST VUNERABLE ASPECT.
I also installed a sensor in the garage - the pro company of course did not.
I installed a door contact on the front door and a door contact on the patio door whereas the pro install simply had a door contact on the front door.
I had a pir in the lounge - kitchen - hallway and dining room - of course the pro install had to miss one of those areas out. The hallway as it happens , shame about the front door with glass panels as someone could be in without opening the door and go upstairs and ransack the place and leave without anyone hearing a murmur.
I cringe just as much when I see pro installs offered cheap with 2 pir sensors and a door contact as you guys do at the thought of Yale. In fact I cringe even more.
I also cringe when people point to cheap visonic kits for sale on the net GRADE2 yeahhhhh except again the person fitting does not have a clue about a risk assesment and will buy the cheapest kit thinking because its graded kit he is safe..
oh dear oh dear..
And your personal area of expertise in specifying and grading security systems is.....
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