African American

[longdogs]

The term "Black, (or white), music" is too ambiguous, don't you think. It isn't clear whether it refers to the music origin, or the performers.
Whereas "music of black (or white, or Australian, Icelandic, Chinese, etc) origin" is not ambiguous. It clearly refers to the origin of the music and the ethnicity of the performer is irrelevant.

I can see the point you are trying to make but I think you are confusing colour with countries.

Australia, Iceland, china, Ireland are countries not black or white.

 

[Whitespirit66]

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Sorry Redherring, did you say something? Just nodded off there for a while.

 

[RNReindeer]

The term "Black, (or white), music" is too ambiguous, don't you think. It isn't clear whether it refers to the music origin, or the performers.
Whereas "music of black (or white, or Australian, Icelandic, Chinese, etc) origin" is not ambiguous. It clearly refers to the origin of the music and the ethnicity of the performer is irrelevant.

I can see the point you are trying to make but I think you are confusing colour with countries.

Australia, Iceland, china, Ireland are countries not black or white.

Australia, Iceland, China, Ireland are all different colours in my atlas.
I think I'll have a nap as well, after that red herring from Squeaky.
It's like talking to junior school children.
I wouldn't mind if these puerile comments were funny or were made by children.

 

[Norcon]

Your atlas is obviously a coloured one.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

I wouldn't mind if these puerile comments were funny or were made by children.

I can believe that.

 

[EFLImpudence]

This is becoming really pointless now.
You're making silly and irrelevant comments

Does the cap fit?

According to your logic, only the Austrian musicians can play a Viennese Waltz.

That's not logic.
Were 'Austrians' a separate 'race' (and a different colour) then having organisations which either solely promote or only exclude music of Austrian origin would be racist.

 

[RNReindeer]

This is becoming really pointless now.
You're making silly and irrelevant comments

Does the cap fit?

According to your logic, only the Austrian musicians can play a Viennese Waltz.

That's not logic.
Were 'Austrians' a separate 'race' (and a different colour) then having organisations which either solely promote or only exclude music of Austrian origin would be racist.

What a load of rubbish.
Go back to about page 2 and read it all again.
I'll summarise for you: promotion of culture, be it food, music, art, etc is not racist.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Black is not culture; it is race.

 

[RNReindeer]

Black is not culture; it is race.

Back to about page 2.
The MOBO awards are about the promotion of culture, i.e. music.
Please re-read the whole thread and bring yourself up to speed.

 

[EFLImpudence]

They have obviously chosen the wrong name then.

Please describe black culture.

 

[DeletedUser]

I do not like the expression “African-American.” It’s patronizing, condescending, and racist.

Or is it just me?

Why?

 

[JBR]

I do keep making these stupid comments, don't I?
If only I had looked it up, I could have avoided looking silly. Oh dear, never mind.

But it seemed to get you quite rattled, didn't it?

Fair play to you for recognising the mistake.
I wasn't rattled but I was flabbergasted by your naivety.

Firstly, I ought to apologise for gasting your flabber.

To support my criticisms, and as you accepted your mistake, I'll explain:
Suppose I hold a sack race in a schools sports day. You'll appreciate that in a sack race, running, walking, high jump or long jump is not acceptable as a singular discipline. Because a sack race falls in a grey area between running, walking and jumping.
If I then state that the participants of a sack race do so because they won't (can't) run/walk or jump is ridiculous. You agree?
If they do so they would no longer be described as sack race participants.

I found that very enlightening. So a sack race lies somewhere between running, walking and jumping. At the risk of sounding stupid yet again, I always thought of a sack race as being more like hopping, but on both feet together. When I was teaching, we had sack races too. We found them a very useful adjunct to the other sports, and they provided a useful and acceptable activity for those children who were not very good at running or jumping (be it the high or the long variety). To be honest, some of those children weren't desperately good at walking either, but I digress.

Hence a rapper chooses that discipline to express their art, not because they can't participate in other performing art forms, some do. But when they do they are no longer rapping.

Yes, I understand now. Thank you. Rappers rap, not because they can't participate in other performing art forms (like singing or playing musical instruments), but because they're just not very good at them.

 

[RNReindeer]

They have obviously chosen the wrong name then.

What name would you suggest for awards given for music of black origin?

Please describe black culture.

I'm flattered that you think I have an encyclopedic knowledge.

 

[RNReindeer]

I found that very enlightening. So a sack race lies somewhere between running, walking and jumping. At the risk of sounding stupid yet again, I always thought of a sack race as being more like hopping, but on both feet together. When I was teaching, we had sack races too. We found them a very useful adjunct to the other sports, and they provided a useful and acceptable activity for those children who were not very good at running or jumping (be it the high or the long variety). To be honest, some of those children weren't desperately good at walking either, but I digress.

Groan,
Ergo, all participants of sack races are not good at running, jumping or walking, or hopping?

Hence a rapper chooses that discipline to express their art, not because they can't participate in other performing art forms, some do. But when they do they are no longer rapping.

Yes, I understand now. Thank you. Rappers rap, not because they can't participate in other performing art forms (like singing or playing musical instruments), but because they're just not very good at them.

Is this belief based on your long and varied experience of association with rappers? Or your own ability and knowledge of music, which provides you with an appreciation of rhythm, tempo, melody, lyrics?
Or an extrapolation of your experience of organising sack races for children?
So cyclists cycle becuase they're not good at walking or driving? Swimmers swim because they're not good at running? Footballers play football because they're no good at rugby?

Your logic seems fundamentally flawed, to me.
I feel like I'm watching a Monty Python sketch, the sort where you think "I suppose it would be funny if I'd been there, but it's totally devoid of reality."

Additionally, as you perceive rapping to be some substandard substitute for playing a musical instrument or singing, does it not automatically follow that all musicians/singers can rap?
I know of a couple who can, but I can't and I know of many more that can't.

 

[EFLImpudence]

They have obviously chosen the wrong name then.

What name would you suggest for awards given for music of black origin?

I cannot think of one that is not racist which is the whole point.

Please describe black culture.

I'm flattered that you think I have an encyclopedic knowledge.

You say they are cultural awards.
Could it be that there are many different cultures, some of which are not included in the awards but could be as long as the origins are not white (or yellow?)?

Seems racist to me.