RoI rejects religion...

[Micilin]

i have friends that are homosexuals,i don't knock them, they know were i stand, but i don't give them aggro,and they don't hassle me about what i believe.
But there is certain people who like to stir it up, start trouble and push the boat out, and say that what i believe is bull crap, and hate speech, well go complain to God ,its his words, and its there to save us not kill us.

Why don't people be honest instead of searching through ancient documents and cherry picking quotes while ignoring others,or hiding behind a god.

Just say that gay people make you nervous or scared or disgusted and be done with it, or you're not sure why but it just doesn't seem right.

And if you are just curious about what other people get up to in the bedroom, fine.

what are going on about, i think its you thats talking nonsense

At least it's 21st Century nonsense that I've written myself!

My point , and thanks for asking, is that using scripture to justify homophobia is illogical, as one then has to also buy into the rest of the list of things that are sinful eg like I keep saying wearing clothes of different material.

There is NOBODY in this thread ( I'm addressing those who uses scripture to justify their homophobia )who will answer a direct question about their adherence to the other admonitions about sin contained in them.

That's because they are illogical .they are hiding behind scripture. They cherry pick the sins that they want banned, and indulge or ignore other sins.

For want of a better pun, just be straight and say I don't like gays, not sure why , but it's a personal thing.

 

[JBR]

Here in the province ******* are not allowed marriage. And hope it stays that way.

Even though god created them in his own image?

God is a *****?

Seriously, I know homosexuals and, depending upon their behaviour, I can interact with them in a civilised and reasonable manner.
As I've mentioned before, the ones who flaunt it and proudly declare their sexuality tend to make me cringe.
It's not a conscious decision I make to dislike them, it's just how I feel. I think it's unnatural and, just as some declare that it's 'how they are made', my feelings are as they are simply because that's how I am made.
Does that make me wrong?

 

[Micilin]

Here in the province ******* are not allowed marriage. And hope it stays that way.

Even though god created them in his own image?

God is a *****?

Seriously, I know homosexuals and, depending upon their behaviour, I can interact with them in a civilised and reasonable manner.
As I've mentioned before, the ones who flaunt it and proudly declare their sexuality tend to make me cringe.
It's not a conscious decision I make to dislike them, it's just how I feel. I think it's unnatural and, just as some declare that it's 'how they are made', my feelings are as they are simply because that's how I am made.
Does that make me wrong?

I think that's an honest approach. Rather than hiding behind something else.

I think a factor ( generalising not commenting on you) is cultural rather than a natural dislike of gay people.
We've had a lifetime of slurs, pee taking, prejudice for being a child. So bound to be imprinted a bit

 

[breadnbutter]

i have friends that are homosexuals,i don't knock them, they know were i stand, but i don't give them aggro,and they don't hassle me about what i believe.
But there is certain people who like to stir it up, start trouble and push the boat out, and say that what i believe is bull crap, and hate speech, well go complain to God ,its his words, and its there to save us not kill us.

Why don't people be honest instead of searching through ancient documents and cherry picking quotes while ignoring others,or hiding behind a god.

Just say that gay people make you nervous or scared or disgusted and be done with it, or you're not sure why but it just doesn't seem right.

And if you are just curious about what other people get up to in the bedroom, fine.

what are going on about, i think its you thats talking nonsense

At least it's 21st Century nonsense that I've written myself!

My point , and thanks for asking, is that using scripture to justify homophobia is illogical, as one then has to also buy into the rest of the list of things that are sinful eg like I keep saying wearing clothes of different material.

There is NOBODY in this thread ( I'm addressing those who uses scripture to justify their homophobia )who will answer a direct question about their adherence to the other admonitions about sin contained in them.

That's because they are illogical .they are hiding behind scripture. They cherry pick the sins that they want banned, and indulge or ignore other sins.

For want of a better pun, just be straight and say I don't like gays, not sure why , but it's a personal thing.

what is 21st century logic, there is nothing new under the sun, that has not been said before.
i am not using scripture to justify so called homophobia,i am just pointing out what Gods word says about it, and other sins like stealing ,lying,bestiality,murder,hate,stealing,adultery,ect its not to condemn,but convict,reveal to us we are in need of a savior, its about accepting that we are in need of Gods help,but he cannot help us if we make a stand against him,by rebellion,it has to be a two way communication. if we dont take that offer of salvation through christ,to get forgivness,to wipe the slate clean,to be reconciled to God, to be renewed,to be re born inside,by his power.
if you forsake his offer,then you will die in your sins, and will be judged according to your sins, and whithout christ ,who takes away all your sin, and justifys you before a holy,mighty God and whithout christ,you will get thrown in to hell. theres no purgatry, its permanent.its forever, dont go there.
God does not want you to go there. but you must believe and accept christ, there is no other way.

 

[JohnD]

there is no other way.

You are of course welcome to believe that if you want to.

Nobody else is obliged to follow or believe a book written by a bunch of long-dead old men, which has subsequently been edited, modified, translated and altered by a bunch of other long-dead old men, each with his own axe to grind, especially when it is used as a tool to justify prejudices by people who selectively quote and sometimes follow the bits they like, which disregarding the bits they don't.

 

[EFLImpudence]

You are of course welcome to believe that if you want to.

That is the fundamental flaw in these arguments.
Would breadnbutter's post look like it was written by an intelligent adult if we weren't used to such rubbish?

Whilst those in charge proffer that attitude to religion in this country they must, or at least do, therefore extend the same to other more dangerous and ludicrous beliefs rather than be able to denounce those ludicrous beliefs as nonsense.

Could we have programmes which try to educate these people?
No, because they want our own version of control to continue.

There was a bit of a fuss last week in Ireland where a 'Christian' cake shop owner refused to decorate a cake for a same sex marriage.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32791239
A spokesman said that whilst the shop owner was entitled to his religious beliefs they did not extend to his commercial business.
It therefore follows that he his NOT entitled to his religious beliefs at work.

A step in the right direction, at least.

 

[breadnbutter]

You are of course welcome to believe that if you want to.

That is the fundamental flaw in these arguments.
Would breadnbutter's post look like it was written by an intelligent adult if we weren't used to such rubbish?

Whilst those in charge proffer that attitude to religion in this country they must, or at least do, therefore extend the same to other more dangerous and ludicrous beliefs rather than be able to denounce those ludicrous beliefs as nonsense.

Could we have programmes which try to educate these people?
No, because they want our own version of control to continue.

There was a bit of a fuss last week in Ireland where a 'Christian' cake shop owner refused to decorate a cake for a same sex marriage.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32791239
A spokesman said that whilst the shop owner was entitled to his religious beliefs they did not extend to his commercial business.
It therefore follows that he his NOT entitled to his religious beliefs at work.

A step in the right direction, at least.

its not a version of control, its a choice.

anyone who has business ,as far as i know can refuse to offer a service,if they choose. same as someone can choose to not use that business. what i heard is some ,members of the gay community pinpoint these christian buisneses, to stir up trouble, and also they dont seem to go to muslim bakarys and ask.
one guy went to a muslim bakery as a test, and they refused to bake a cake. no kick up there.no protest there.

 

[breadnbutter]

there is no other way.

You are of course welcome to believe that if you want to.

Nobody else is obliged to follow or believe a book written by a bunch of long-dead old men, which has subsequently been edited, modified, translated and altered by a bunch of other long-dead old men, each with his own axe to grind, especially when it is used as a tool to justify prejudices by people who selectively quote and sometimes follow the bits they like, which disregarding the bits they don't.

your not obliged,its a choice, you take it or leave it, as long as you know the consequence of your decision.
what is old men got to do with it, some version have been translated to different languages, yes,but the main message is still there.
nothing is disregarded, all have sinned and fallen short , its there to reveal to us how far away we are from God,and how to get back to him through christ.

 

[JohnD]

some version have been translated to different languages,

ALL versions have been translated and manipulated.

I mentioned the long-dead old men as a reminder that these books are the words of men.

There are plenty of religions, and plenty of books. You take your choice.

 

[AronSearle]

members of the gay community pinpoint these christian buisneses

Christian institutions used to prosecute homosexuals, now homosexuals prosecute them.

Cry more.

 

[JBR]

There was a bit of a fuss last week in Ireland where a 'Christian' cake shop owner refused to decorate a cake for a same sex marriage.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32791239
A spokesman said that whilst the shop owner was entitled to his religious beliefs they did not extend to his commercial business.
It therefore follows that he his NOT entitled to his religious beliefs at work.

A step in the right direction, at least.

its not a version of control, its a choice.

anyone who has business ,as far as i know can refuse to offer a service,if they choose. same as someone can choose to not use that business. what i heard is some ,members of the gay community pinpoint these christian buisneses, to stir up trouble, and also they dont seem to go to muslim bakarys and ask.
one guy went to a muslim bakery as a test, and they refused to bake a cake. no kick up there.no protest there.

Very good point. I think you're right, that the outspoken ones - the ones who would like us all to bow down and worship them and cry out at the top of our voice that they are more 'normal' than the rest of us - like to flex their muscles just to prove that they are proud to have come out of the closet and there's nothing we can do about it.

As you say, they wouldn't dare to stand up to a muslim bakery. No, they know that the lawmakers, judges and the vast army of do-gooders would always act in their favour at the expense of Christians.

As I've said before, calm down: in the not too distant future, when islam has taken over this country, they'll be back hiding in their closets!

 

[JohnD]

one guy went to a muslim bakery as a test, and they refused to bake a cake. no kick up there.no protest there.

Do you mean that happened in the UK? That's interesting, do please post the news item link you saw.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

one guy went to a muslim bakery as a test, and they refused to bake a cake. no kick up there.no protest there.

Do you mean that happened in the UK? That's interesting, do please post the news item link you saw.

Why? Do you really think Islam supports gay relationships?

 

[JohnD]

Why do you ask? Do you object to the evidence being seen?

 

[ajstoneservices]

If he posts any you will claim he fabricated, it's from an unreliable source, delete it..........................or ignore it.