Thanks, but still interested in the idea. actually been looking around at these wisqo lights
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Thanks, but still interested in the idea. actually been looking around at these wisqo lights
I am.I'm not sure your objection is justified.
It's also to advise. And to design - there's even a space to sign for the design on an EIC.You seem to misunderstand the role and/or scope of an 'electrician'; whether (just) domestic or commercial. It is to supply a safe installation for the requirements of the customer's equipment.
A product from a major manufacturer like MK, which has been in the market for decades, is hardly a "little new product".I don't think it is to keep abreast of every little new product and review them.
Were Winston an electrician it would not have been.Presumably Winston has not had experience of the item in question, so your response to his "How does that work?" is most inappropriate.
Not even knowledge of their existence?Obviously we learn about things we have dealt with but not all of them - just in case.
That's why there are specialists - lighting consultants, fire alarm installers, burglar alarm installers, lift engineers, heating engineers etc. etc.
We could install the wiring for any of them given the requirements but knowledge of the machines is not our concern.
False analogy.Would you ask an electrician which model of television set or cooker you should buy?
I think it reasonable to expect them to have heard of established products from major manufacturers.Do you expect electricians to understand the inner workings of products?
What does the 'P' in CPD stand for?I'm not an electrician, and I'm not going to comment on whether your expectations are 'unreasonable' (since that is essentially an individual opinion), but I do think that your expectations are unrealistic, at least in relation to a product as relatively unusual and uncommon as you have been talking about. I agree with everything that EFLI (a fairly recently retired electrician, as I understand) said.
False analogy.If you want analogies, I suppose one might think it terms of what one could realistically expect if one took an electric car to a traditional "car mechanic" (or "automotive engineer"),
False analogy.or to what one could realistically expect a GP to know about a pretty rare disease.
I'm not objecting to people who are not experts in every widget. I am objecting to the reasonable proportion I have met who, in answer to the question "Can we use wireless switches to avoid ploughing up the frieze in that room?" reply "Dunno if wireless switches exist, sorry. I only know Crabtree like what they sell in Screwfix".
Let's depersonalise. Would you employ a CH system installer (or whatever you'd like to call that trade) who had no idea whether it was possible to split a heating system into three zones, each with a separate zone control valve, as they'd only ever done - and only ever shown interest in - one zone for radiators and one for hot water?
False analogy.So if a spark connects up your latest piece of high security equipment you expect him to know all its capabilities? And what would you tell him when he asked how does this work? and what does it do?
But none of the people who have pushed back at him have done so on behalf of that person - they have done so on a generic basis of the product knowledge of electricians.I'm getting a bit confused here, since all your observations have been about the product knowledge of electricians (which we could debate for ever), despite the fact that, as far as I can make out, the only person here who has made statements and asked questions which have indicated little/no knowledge of the products which interest you has told you that he is not a domestic electrician.
It ought to be.I think the mistake you're making is hoping that building trades have the same attitude to the industry as it specialists. Actually that's not necessary to do the job.
CPD is a requirement in every job.For it security in particular that's a job requirement,
It is true that the risks of someone wanting to hack into your light switch are probably quite small.I work in IT cyber security and the risks of someone hacking it don't keep me awake at night.
I would ask one question, if you get a power cut for even a few seconds with the switches remain as set?
It is true that the risks of someone wanting to hack into your light switch are probably quite small.
But given your area of expertise you ought to be very worried about the overall levels of risk faced by society because so many product developers think that there is so little risk of their product being hacked that they don't bother to do anything about security.
I expect, given your field, that you already do, but just in case (and apologies if it causes offence), you should subscribe to The Risks Digest.
It would certainly be more productive, but not enough to provide value. Most people aren't prepared to pay that much for their tins of beans/taxi ride/pizza delivery/other commodities.It ought to be.
I would not expect every builder to be able to do it, but I would be distinctly unimpressed by one who said "A house built using prefabricated walls made in a factory? Some new thing from Ikea is it?"
CPD is a requirement in every job.
I wanted an energy monitor and remote switch combined so I could actually see if on or off remotely. However it did not work out as expected, one it will not work with the remote controls, and the other is if switched off due to power cut it stays off. I would have in hind sight have been better with two independent units one measuring power the other a remote switch.Probably the most important point in this whole discussion, and I'd like to know the answer as well.
It's been an interesting discussion, not the least because of the differing views expressed.Hi BAS, First of all, consider this a general 'thumbs up' for your posts on this thread - you've clearly set out the point I was trying to make. In terms of responding to the quote above, I agree, I am, no offence
ericmark said:I would ask one question, if you get a power cut for even a few seconds with the switches remain as set?
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