New oven with plug

[EFLImpudence]

Why? Because there is a market of several hundred million people where mandating a maximum 16A circuit is no issue. You live in a part of it.

Not sure I follow that.

How? By cutting corners.

Do you mean the appliance will draw more if the circuit is more than 16A?
Wouldn't that mean it would trip the 16A device?
Or does it detect the OPD and not work if the circuit is more than 16A?

Doesn't apply to appliances.

I thought we were talking about the supply circuit.

 

[JohnW2]

Why? Because there is a market of several hundred million people where mandating a maximum 16A circuit is no issue. You live in a part of it.

Is that necessarily true?

Do not people in other European countries have cookers which require installation of circuits >16A, such that there would "be an issue" if someone wanted to connect an oven to such a circuit but the manufacturer 'mandated' a maximum OPD of 16A?

Kind Regards, John

 

[DetlefSchmitz]

They're very often 3 phase.

 

[JohnD]

They're very often 3 phase.

in Europe?

 

[DetlefSchmitz]

Certainly in Germany, I think I saw it in Sweden too.

 

[mwatsonxx]

Change existing junction box for a socket, and plug in the oven.

Meerkat

• Taylortwocities
• 11 Dec 2009
• 53

Simples!

That's the only advice you need.

 

[JohnW2]

Change existing junction box for a socket, and plug in the oven. .... Simples!

That's the only advice you need.

It might well be, IF the OP had a junction box to change.

Kind Regards, John

 

[mwatsonxx]

My problem is, my current setup and oven came with no plug and wired straight into a junction box to a separate cooker switch on the wall, and is on a different wiring system with its own fuse.

Change existing junction box for a socket, and plug in the oven.

That's the only advice you need.

It might well be, IF the OP had a junction box to change.

Dear JohnW2, there's a clue in there somewhere, to the op do what taylortwocities said, and ignore the rest of the nonsense.

 

[JohnW2]

Dear JohnW2, there's a clue in there somewhere, to the op do what taylottwocities said, and ignore the rest of the nonsense.

Yes, I think you're probably right. I think I mis-read and/or misinterpreted the OP, and have all along been thinking that the 'junction box' (which it now sounds as if it is perhaps an outlet plate?) was upstream of the cooker switch.

Kind Regards, John

 

[JohnD]

Certainly in Germany, I think I saw it in Sweden too.

I've seen 3-phase cookers, but not ovens.

 

[JohnW2]

I've seen 3-phase cookers, but not ovens.

I started this by mentioning cookers in Europe which required more than a 16A supply - so I imagine that the subsequent comments have related to cookers, rather than ovens.

Kind Regards, John

 

[EFLImpudence]

There probably are some 3-phase but

aren't people thinking of larger cookers which in Europe require (two or) three 16A circuits?

This does not mean they would require a 48A circuit in Britain.

 

[sparkwright]

Send a picture of the wiring behind the cooker, then we can give you a quick, straight answer.

 

[DetlefSchmitz]

There probably are some 3-phase but

aren't people thinking of larger cookers which in Europe require (two or) three 16A circuits?

This does not mean they would require a 48A circuit in Britain.

As I say, in Germany 3-phase is quite normal for domestic supplies. I have a picture somewhere (can't locate it atm), of a typical three phase 'consumer unit'. There is even a standard 3-phase plug for hobs or cookers. When a cooker is installed in the uk there is often an option, in the instructions, to connect two or three separate 16A supplies (from different phases - intended for non-UK use), or to join them together and connect them to a possibly higher current circuit (for UK use.)

[I was in a summer house in Sweden once (this is a tiny wooden hut in the forest), where there was an electrical fault of some sort. The result was that when you turned on a ring on the hob, all that happened was that the ceiling lights changed brightness. At the time it seemed like magic.]

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Not sure I follow that.

In the UK, if a maker mandates a 13A fused supply that immediately raises the question of why is he doing that, and how the hell can he sell his appliance in geographies where a 13A fused supply cannot be provided.

But in geographies where socket circuits are 16A, mandating a maximum 16A circuit will create no problems and will prompt no questions.

Do you mean the appliance will draw more if the circuit is more than 16A?
Wouldn't that mean it would trip the 16A device?
Or does it detect the OPD and not work if the circuit is more than 16A?

No, I mean that if a maker can assure that his appliance will be plugged into a circuit with a 16A OPD, and not hard wired into one with a 50A, it may give him scope to cut corners on how he engineers and protects the internals of it.

I thought we were talking about the supply circuit.

I wasn't. When I wrote "But if the maker really has designed the internals on the assumption of a maximum 16A protective device, what can you do?" I was talking about the internals of the appliance.