How long did that 'repair' last, I wonder, given that the fuse presumably blew for a reason?
They were of course introduced at the time of BS3036 fuses which required larger c.s.a. wiring for everything.
No idea. I must admit I had assumed it was the element
It lasted the rest of our stay!
I haven't done any sums, but do you think that any flex likley to be used for a "significantly power-consuming" appliance (i.e. excluding 'electronic' things, chargers etc.) is likely to not be able to 'cope' with the fault current?
No.
It probably is although, as I wrote above, the omission of overload is never considered in the instructions.
Perhaps, Probably?
Is that the right way round? In the UK, they will have 13A or lower protection in the plug, whereas elsewhere in Europe the protection will usually be 16A.
Are you asking whether the fuse in a UK plug could be considered as 'internal protection'? If so, I suppose that might be the case, although, given that fuses in plugs can easily be changed, it would probably have to be considered as 13A protection, regardless of what fuse had been installed by the manufacturer.
Yes, rwr. I meant if they are designed for Europe this will be with the 16A circuit in mind.
Yes.
True, but that would not be the manufacturer's responsibility.
Yes, but if it's supplied in the UK with a plug, there would be a greater level of protection than in Europe, even if the circuit into which the plug was plugged was >16A.
Maybe. However, if the manufacturer feel that they have a responsibility to ensure adequate protection, they (or others) may feel that (whatever fuse they supply it with) it would be 'unsafe' to assume that the fuse in the plug would always be lower than 13A. This obvioulsy doesn't apply to ovens, but it might with some smaller products.
If you just mean the difference between 13A(fuse) and 15A(fuse) and 16A(MCB) I don't think that's worth considering.
It's not but, if one ignores the difference of device type, 13 is less than 16, so certainly 'no worse'.
Don't we quite often hear about products (ovens or whatever), sold in the UK (without leads or plugs) which say that they need, or appear to need (from power specification) a ≥16A supply? If so, they are presumably the 'primarily European' products?
Yes, but are any of the of Wattage to actually need 16A? or do they think we should be intelligent enough to 'translate' it.
It would certainly help with Europe-wide compatability, but it could be a can of worms, since current BS1363 plugs/sockets might not be 'up to' 16A, and we couldn't really have a situation in which there were two 'inter-pluggable' versions of plugs/sockets around (one which could 'take' 16A but the other only 13A). We would probably have to invent a total different (fused) plug and socket that was not interchangeable with the current BS 1363s, wouldn't we, and that is essentially 'unthinkable'!
Some we've heard about certainly seem to have been have been. Presumably because they are not constrained by the 13A 'limit', there seem to be some European products around 3.5kW - which is OK on a 16A circuit, but not acceptable with a 13A fused plug.
But as we know anyone can assemble an arbitrary circuit(s) using multi way adaptors and fan heaters or whatever and the other option is to make sure all multi way adaptor flexes have 4mm2 cable etc etc, a fused plug is more economical.
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