Membership of the EU

[Yafo]

You both came up with examples of people you know as if they are some sort of proof to back up your opinions. Neither of them prove anything other than they are just different people's views.

And Captain did at least concede, you keep harping on about it. Perhaps just let it drop because it's really not important.

I have nothing to concede. I just stated that there are 2 different opinons in Germany, as there are in the UK.

It proves there is no general opinion. Let's not just take the 1st opinion and accept it as fact.

 

[sodthisforfun]

I have nothing to concede. I just stated that there are 2 different opinons in Germany, as there are in the UK.

It proves there is no general opinion. Let's not just take the 1st opinion and accept it as fact.

I didn't take any opinion as fact, nor did anyone else.
I didn't say you had to concede, but I was saying that the Captain did when you pointed it out.

As I said, give it a rest, everyone stop point scoring and move on with the conversation?

 

[Yafo]

I didn't take any opinion as fact.

Good, because that is all that should be summed up from it

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

I think ladies and gentlemen, we've another Himmy/Walk

Imamartion, walkswithturkeys, yafo and tens of others.
This himmy poster must have really sent you into a tizz, mightygob. Every new person is himmy.

Have you ever considered it might be paranoid schizophrenia?

 

[sodthisforfun]

Imamartion, walkswithturkeys, yafo and tens of others.
This himmy poster must have really sent you into a tizz, mightygob. Every new person is himmy.

Have you ever considered it might be paranoid schizophrenia?

A sure sign that the usual idiots realise their argument is in tatters, they resort to personal abuse, as usual.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

blah, blah

When you start misrepresenting my comments, it is abusive.
Eeyore does it all the time.
If you somehow think you have the monopoly on being abusive, sorry, mightygob thought so too.
I will respond with abuse to anyone who is abusive to me.

Perhaps you will be good enough to find where I have said junkers could not have a drink problem.

Why you asking for something that I never said you said?
Perhaps you should re-read my post which you highlighted.

Fair enough.

 

[SirGalahad]

The ERG ****s want to use the UK as a huge economic and social experiment.

By leaving the EU there plan is to drop all tariffs to zero and cut regulations. UK manufacturers will be decimated - they will not be able to compete. There will be massive job losses and huge cuts to public services. In their mind it's all worth it.

Weird neo liberal cultists.

 

[Notch7]

Have you ever considered it might be paranoid schizophrenia?

Maybe, I have no idea why George Wannabe, himmagin, walkswithturkeys etc needs all those different usernames.

 

[sodthisforfun]

When you start misrepresenting my comments, it is abusive.
Eeyore does it all the time.
If you somehow think you have the monopoly on being abusive, sorry, mightygob thought so too.
I will respond with abuse to anyone who is abusive to me.

I have not misrepresented your comments and highlighting your hypocrisy about others being rude to you when you do plenty of it yourself isn't abusive.

You like to lash out when the truth hurts.

 

[Notch7]

Is there a point of no return for article 50?

As I understand it article 50 was written by diplomats not by legal experts and has little clarity.

In my view, while there are legal arguments for non-revocability and unilateralrevocability, it’s hard to see the legal (as distinct from political) argument for ‘revocability only with consent’. And ultimately, while it’s anyone’s guess how the ECJ might ultimately interpret Article 50 if the case arose, my view is that the stronger argument is for unilateral revocability of the withdrawal notice.

http://eulawanalysis.blogspot.com/2018/01/can-article-50-notice-of-withdrawal.html

 

[EFLImpudence]

On the face of it, I would be inclined to agree. It does make things simple but it does matter if by some means a totalitarian government was to take control of the country, then the legal system that the EU has makes it easier for the government to control the population by enforcing every law... The UK legal system for all the madness makes it much harder to do and the freedoms that this system has over generations has given to British citizens has installed an inner confidence and sense of fair play despite the outward downbeat impression that the Brits give. The European way does seem to be creeping into your younger generation and it hurts me to hear them ask "Am I allowed to do this?" My reply is always, of course you are allowed to do it in your own country unless someone says you can't... You are British.

I am intrigued by this and still don't know if it is true.

If a totalitarian government took control of Britain then, presumably, they would just ban whatever they wanted to, so what difference does it actually make?

What may someone in Europe NOT be allowed to do because the government has forgotten or not yet got round to allowing something new?

The system would seem rather unwieldy by having to list everything that is allowed. Is that what they have to do?


Am I, for example, allowed to use a VPN or some new device that has just been invented?

 

[Captain Black]

I am intrigued by this and still don't know if it is true.

If a totalitarian government took control of Britain then, presumably, they would just ban whatever they wanted to, so what difference does it actually make?

What may someone in Europe NOT be allowed to do because the government has forgotten or not yet got round to allowing something new?

The system would seem rather unwieldy by having to list everything that is allowed. Is that what they have to do?


Am I, for example, allowed to use a VPN or some new device that has just been invented?

Most hardware that you may buy carries the CE mark which means it is approved for sale in the EU... When did you last fit a piece of electrical equipment that wasn't CE marked?.. Already in many EU countries it is an offence to sell or use equipment without a CE mark, fortunately this is not yet so in the UK and using equipment with no CE mark is still fine though common sense would tell you to fit equipment that meet the relevant BS markings. BS markings assure of minimum quality standards, CE marking does not.

Going back some years in Germany it was an offence to stray onto private property, even though it wasn't fenced or marked though access to property was permitted via some means of gate/ path or the like.

Any future new invention must be approved for use by the EU

 

[Notch7]

it was an offence to stray onto private property, even though it wasn't fenced or marked though access to property was permitted via some means of gate/ path or the like

Funnily a sign that is often seen on private property is:

Trespassers will be prosecuted

Funny because, they cant ........its a civil wrong in this country

 

[Captain Black]

Funnily a sign that is often seen on private property is:

Trespassers will be prosecuted

Funny because, they cant ........its a civil wrong in this country

Exactly.

 

[nauseous]

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. There is some suggestion that despite the truly heroic acts of the Soviet people that Moscow would have fallen if it hadn't have been for the equipment sent to the Soviets by the British via the Arctic convoys.. This equipment allowed the Russians to cling on long enough for them to organise themselves, establish leaders and set up tank and other armament production far beyond the reach of the Germans. But this could be argued 'till the cows come home

It isn't surprising as the Soviets were effectively our allies at the time so made perfect sense to land lease supplies to
them as it was a known fact that if the Soviets were to fall it was pretty much curtains for us and possibly everyone else bar the axis country's. That is an indisputable fact my friend. The supplies were no doubt very much needed but
in the end it was the Russian made T34 tank that turned it around and defeated the Germans from their front, which probably had little to do with us. I'm not sure why we're discussing this here tbh.