Brexit morons

[cwhaley]

Disagree.

He puts lots of emotive speech into it, with very little, or no facts. A good orator, as was adolf.

Too many people listen to easy words and don't even want any facts.

I think you're focusing too much on your comparison to Hitler. I mean agree there is sometimes a little too much emotion in the delivery of his arguments but it's an emotive subject and the target audience isn't a lecture theatre. Should he drop all emotion and go into newsreader mode?

He isn't there to reel off bullet-pointed facts, he's there to cast his opinion and from the videos I've watched over the years there has been a lot of fact to back up that opinion. Again - haven't listened to the above video so can only comment on the past ones.

 

[Yafo]

I think you're focusing too much on your comparison to Hitler. I mean agree there is sometimes a little too much emotion in the delivery of his arguments but it's an emotive subject and the target audience isn't a lecture theatre. Should he drop all emotion and go into newsreader mode?

He isn't there to reel off bullet-pointed facts, he's there to cast his opinion and from the videos I've watched over the years there has been a lot of fact to back up that opinion. Again - haven't listened to the above video so can only comment on the past ones.

If you are happy to listen to a good speaker that carefully omits to use any opposing facts or benefits, you go for it. Don't expect everybody to be so impressed so easily.

It is easy to criticise who/what you don't like (as he does). But without replacing such criticism without any advantages or benefits, is just easy words from a good orator.

I prefer factual based arguments. Not seen ANY from the brexit side yet. Maybe you can link to a few ?

The comparison to adolf is quite relevant if you think about it.

 

[cwhaley]

If you are happy to listen to a good speaker that carefully omits to use any opposing facts or benefits, you go for it. Don't expect everybody to be so impressed so easily.

It is easy to criticise who/what you don't like (as he does). But without replacing such criticism without any advantages or benefits, is just easy words from a good orator.

I prefer factual based arguments. Not seen ANY from the brexit side yet. Maybe you can link to a few ?

The comparison to adolf is quite relevant if you think about it.

There is plenty of fact-based argument for a withdrawal from the European Union -- online, in journals, academic papers and in the printed press. Are you really telling me you've not read ANY arguments with fact in them for Brexit? Maybe you refuse the read them?

If you look at the Journal of Economic Perspectives there were several balanced articles produced in late 2017 / early 2018 that mention a raft of expected benefits when leaving the EU. The Centre for Economic Performance have also released several papers discussing the pros and cons of leaving again with arguments for both sides. There really are many, many free-to-view online.

Depends where your sources are.

The comparison to Hitler is relevant but a very sensationalist choice.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Apart from the references to brexit, it is difficult to know whether you are talking about Corbyn, Robinson - or Condonell.

 

[Yafo]

There is plenty of fact-based argument for a withdrawal from the European Union -- online, in journals, academic papers and in the printed press. Are you really telling me you've not read ANY arguments with fact in them for Brexit? Maybe you refuse the read them?

If you look at the Journal of Economic Perspectives there were several balanced articles produced in late 2017 / early 2018 that mention a raft of expected benefits when leaving the EU. The Centre for Economic Performance have also released several papers discussing the pros and cons of leaving again with arguments for both sides. There really are many, many free-to-view online.

Depends where your sources are.

The comparison to Hitler is relevant but a very sensationalist choice.

If you think there are good supporting articles for brexit, no I have not read any that outweigh any disadvantage, then why do you think he doesn't highlight them or the points in his speeches?

You are aware, he makes NO POSITIVE claim for brexit, it was just a rant against people !

Clutching to the tails of a good orator is not enough in my book.

The comparison, is highly releveant, just the mention of his name, makes people think, I hope

 

[Yafo]

If you look at the Journal of Economic Perspectives there were several balanced articles produced in late 2017 / early 2018 that mention a raft of expected benefits when leaving the EU.

I went looking for this, hadn't read it before. From your very source, I found this, without effort....

This article discusses the economic consequences of Brexit and the lessons of Brexit for the future of European and global integration. I start by describing the options for post-Brexit relations between the United Kingdom and the European Union and then review studies of the likely economic effects of Brexit. The main conclusion of this literature is that Brexit will make the United Kingdom poorer than it would otherwise have been because it will lead to new barriers to trade and migration between the UK and the European Union. There is considerable uncertainty over how large the costs of Brexit will be, with plausible estimates ranging between 1 and 10 percent of UK per capita income. The costs will be lower if Britain stays in the European Single Market following Brexit. Empirical estimates that incorporate the effects of trade barriers on foreign direct investment and productivity find costs 2–3 times larger than estimates obtained from quantitative trade models that hold technologies fixed.

 

[JohnD]

There is plenty of fact-based argument for a withdrawal from the European Union

It's great to hear that your research has led you to discover the benefits of Brexit.

What do you consider the key benefits of leaving the EU?

How do you expect them to affect you personally?

 

[durhamplumber]

It's great to hear that your research has led you to discover the benefits of Brexit.

What do you consider the key benefits of leaving the EU?

How do you expect them to affect you personally?

Change the record FFS

 

[durhamplumber]

If you are happy to listen to a good speaker that carefully omits to use any opposing facts or benefits, you go for it. Don't expect everybody to be so impressed so easily.

It is easy to criticise who/what you don't like (as he does). But without replacing such criticism without any advantages or benefits, is just easy words from a good orator.

I prefer factual based arguments. Not seen ANY from the brexit side yet. Maybe you can link to a few ?

The comparison to adolf is quite relevant if you think about it.

Change the record remoaners

 

[durhamplumber]

I'm talking about his arguments which raise very interesting and solid points (the points the news channels won't talk about in detail). I'm not talking about his speaking skills (which are also well-developed). God knows how you've linked Adolf Hitler into this

I've not listened to the Brexit video posted above, but I'd be happy to review it at the weekend and pick apart the arguments. As my post states I've listed to his videos over the past few years and while not agreeing with everything or his method of delivery, he puts a great deal of intelligence to his arguments.

Corbyn??? Intelligent arguments?? Pity he will bank the country whilst talking a good talk ..remoaners just want to spend the rest of their lives arguing instead of doing anything to sort out the mess that is the EU..

 

[durhamplumber]

Corbyn??? Intelligent arguments?? Pity he will bank the country whilst talking a good talk ..remoaners just want to spend the rest of their lives arguing instead of doing anything to sort out the mess that is the EU..

Open border problems,,,remoaners,,,no problem i cant see any
Germany tearing itself apart over immigrants,,etc,,remoaners,,where???

 

[EFLImpudence]

Change the record FFS

 

[durhamplumber]

Open border problems,,,remoaners,,,no problem i can see..!.
Germany tearing itself apart over immigrants,,etc,,remoaners,,where???

 

[EFLImpudence]

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[SirGalahad]

I've listened to many of his videos over the past 6-7 years and he does put forward some very well-structured arguments raising some very valid points. It'd be foolish to completely ignore him and call him "sad and angry" because you don't agree with him. Listen to his words, digest them and if you don't agree offer a counter opinion rather than an insult.

He is full of bile. A progressive education? He doesn't even define what that is. But once he has labelled it then many will lap it up. It's a tried and tested tactic that never fails like calling everything you disagree with as Socialism. It's a siren call for right wingers.

He dismisses all non science degrees and thus all work that is non science mustn't have much value to him - yet Brexit is a political and economic issue.