Gas fire and gas cooker in same room?

[greengoddess]

Just get on with it man.

Take your cooker and your gas fire and demonstrate your competence to yourself. Some here were worried about you; just for the record, I'm not.

I can only get on with the job once I consider myself "competent" for the task at hand. For that I need to know the relevant pipe bore size to match the appliance load (i.e. the amount of gas it needs for it's Kw rating) and also if the run lengths and number of bends in my current gas piping are suitable for this layout.

This forum is driving me nuts. There is so much knowledge on here and so few people willing to genuinely help out. They would rather be rude and make it more awkward than it needs to be. You're one of them.

 

[Boilerman2]

Greengoddess - only just looked at your ridiculous post ! by the way CORGI have got NOTHING to do with Gas Registration now your way behind the times ..

 

[greengoddess]

I think u might have been winding people up ???? any way all's well that end's well greengoddess

I assure you that I am NOT a troll and I am NOT a wind up merchant. I have far better things to do than sit here trying to amuse myself by typing crap all day.

I do know a few things about gas but not enough to do this particular task safely and properly. That is the ONLY reason I came on here.

I am really and genuinely sorry if I have come across as a pain. I am a DIY enthusiast that likes to do just about EVERYTHING himself. To do that I need to learn things. I enjoy learning and doing things for myself. I have had several bad experiences with registered gas tradesmen in the past and I am sick to the back teeth of getting messed around. That's why I wanted to learn how to do this job properly myself.

 

[Boilerman2]

Also as you are such a know-all you will be aware that it would be improper to give any advice that would encourage a complete k******d sorry Novice such as your self to do illegal gas work

 

[greengoddess]

Greengoddess - only just looked at your ridiculous post ! by the way CORGI have got NOTHING to do with Gas Registration now your way behind the times ..

This is what I am talking about. Most people on this forum would rather put stumbling blocks in the way than offer a bit of helpful advice. Who cares what the hell Corgi call themselves or which particular department shuffles which piece of paper across the desk? All I want is an honest bit of advice from an experienced gas installer.

 

[greengoddess]

Also as you are such a know-all you will be aware that it would be improper to give any advice that would encourage a complete k******d sorry Novice such as your self to do illegal gas work

Same old story, blah blah blah. It's not illegal if you're doing it in your own home and are "competent". I'm not going through the whole "competent" argument again. It's already here in this post so read it and then come back and criticise.

 

[transam]

No that is not the reason , this forum is obliged not to give out diy gas advise , sometime's that is difficult or become's clouded but that is the general rule that one try's to adhere to , which I would suggest is reasonable ??? & would be expected ??? as for gas safe most rgi's get very little or no benefit from being part of that org ??? it is a body set up by the hse for the benefit & safety of the consumer (you ??) but is funded by the installation industry , perhap's this is unique ????

 

[greengoddess]

No that is not the reason , this forum is obliged not to give out diy gas advise , sometime's that is difficult or become's clouded but that is the general rule that one try's to adhere to , which I would suggest is reasonable ??? & would be expected ??? as for gas safe most rgi's get very little or no benefit from being part of that org ??? it is a body set up by the hse for the benefit & safety of the consumer (you ??) but is funded by the installation industry , perhap's this is unique ????

Thank you transam,

At last, a sensible and reasoned reply. I think the main benefit RGIs get from being part of Gas Safe is the ability to charge £90 to plug a rubber hose into a socket that is no more difficult than changing a light bulb (in fact it's easier because you don't even need to get the stepladders out).

I did not realise that it was against this particular forum's rules to give out advice about gas maintenance work. Perhaps if one of the other clever clogs said that at the start then we could have avoided all this confrontation. I know there is a secret forum section for RGIs to talk shop (probably about how to overcharge pensioners) but I didn't realise they were forbidden to give advice to people in my situation.

 

[AkuraEngineer]

No that is not the reason , this forum is obliged not to give out diy gas advise , sometime's that is difficult or become's clouded but that is the general rule that one try's to adhere to , which I would suggest is reasonable ??? & would be expected ??? as for gas safe most rgi's get very little or no benefit from being part of that org ??? it is a body set up by the hse for the benefit & safety of the consumer (you ??) but is funded by the installation industry , perhap's this is unique ????

Thank you transam,

At last, a sensible and reasoned reply. I think the main benefit RGIs get from being part of Gas Safe is the ability to charge £90 to plug a rubber hose into a socket that is no more difficult than changing a light bulb (in fact it's easier because you don't even need to get the stepladders out).

I did not realise that it was against this particular forum's rules to give out advice about gas maintenance work. Perhaps if one of the other clever clogs said that at the start then we could have avoided all this confrontation I know there is a secret forum section for RGIs to talk shop (probably about how to overcharge pensioners) but I didn't realise they were forbidden to give advice to people in my situation.

Exactly now shut up and fuick off!

 

[transam]

I would not be so harsh on people , the secret forum that u mention is the CC forumn most thing's disgussed are thing's of a technical nature , & not ripping people off , alot of which would not be wise or prudent to disscuss on an open forum for many obvious reason's .
It should also be noted that although most person's post anon on here , it would not be difficult to find out who they really are , there have been some recent case's were forum's have been obliged , Legally to release this imformation , & one can be sued for incorrect or dangerous advice
( hence indemity insurance ) , as for competence , some what difficult to define , diy ??? type gas work has gone on for years & probably will never be erradicated ??? in a given situation , an incident with gas or C/O
I would suggest that U would have difficulty in proving to the satisfaction of a court that u wer or are competent , irrespective of wether u are ???

 

[Agile]

I did not realise that it was against this particular forum's rules to give out advice about gas maintenance work. Perhaps if one of the other clever clogs said that at the start then we could have avoided all this confrontation. I know there is a secret forum section for RGIs to talk shop (probably about how to overcharge pensioners) but I didn't realise they were forbidden to give advice to people in my situation.

You clearly think that you are competent as you like to tell us!

However, in that case why have you not seen IN RED the listing at the top of each page that says "Rules" ?

Rule 10 very clearly says that no advice should be given on DIY gas work! Surely thats clear enough?

 

[jimhet]

Game set and match to the greengoddess, if you do eventually decide to DIY be sure to fit an isolating gas valve adjacent cooker and face the bayonet socket to take flexible hose downwards. Can't help with pipe sizing but even most domestic boilers I come by, small and not so small, old and not so old, seem only to be fed by 15mm pipework [ though the minimum should be 22mm].I doubt if your gas cooker and fire combined amount to KW/ BTU of even a small boiler but if 15mm pipe is feeding your boiler as well as the gas fire and intended cooker you may be in the manure business.

 

[Agile]

I dont think that Jim above has any specialist knowledge about gas. Some aspects of the posting above could give a DIYer false information.

When reading any information given on a forum, assure yourself that the person posting has a good knowledge of the subject before relying on anything you read.

 

[PEDANTICVINDICTIVEMAN]

Can everyone hold it there while I nip out and get some more popcorn

 

[greengoddess]

You clearly think that you are competent as you like to tell us!

Wrong! I know I am not legally competent, that's why I am here asking questions! When I eventually find out the information I need (probably not from this forum) then I will consider myself competent for this particular task.

Rule 10 very clearly says that no advice should be given on DIY gas work! Surely thats clear enough?

Like I said, I apologise for not reading rule 10. But I still can't understand why there has been 73 posts so far on this thread if that is the case. Surely within 2 or 3 posts one of you experts could have said "Sorry, but it's against the rules to give advice". Instead, I get 70-odd posts of abuse from OAP robbers.