Instead of locking threads,, just ban Rogue Hanger the troll

[Big Tone]

It doesn't matter how loud you say, "I am not a racist". It's your actions not words that speak louder.

WTF do you know about my actions and life? (How arrogant!) Why don’t you listen and if there’s something you want to know, ask me and I’ll be up-front and honest. I’ll start with me and then maybe you’ll look in a mirror...

I don’t believe in positive discrimination. I believe the best person should get the job regardless and irrespective of whoever and however many of a particular stereotype that may or may not be! The clue is in the word “discrimination”. For that you think I’m racist?

If I ever find love again I don’t give a damn if she’s black, white, yellow or purple. You dismiss that and still think I’m racist.

I believe you can have a preference or free choice about who you want to date, whether that’s in favour of white or black. Again, I personally wouldn’t mind what colour a lover or a friend is but if someone has a preference, that’s their business and free choice. For that you think I’m racist?

I know non-white people can be racist too. If you believe we are all the same and equal, (as I do), you shouldn’t argue this point. Yet it’s something you are either in denial about or at least won’t admit to because you want to look whiter than white here. (No pun intended).

I highlight an example from my own life of someone who had a preference for white girls but daren’t’ say it in those terms and then you assume or imply I think all black men want the same. (When I was just highlighting the pathos of him not being able to say what he really means).

Then, lastly, you come on here like Dr. Phil implying we have some mental issues we are not aware of. Well right back at ya mister: Is the anticipation and excitement of winning your argument discordant with how things turned out? To borrow from elsewhere, perhaps you're upset because the argument did not go well, but also because of the inconsistency between your expectations.

So maybe you are suffering from the uncomfortable state of cognitive dissonance yourself. I mean did you really expect everyone here to say yes we are racist and tick the thankyou button on your post for pointing it out to us ignorant and unenlightened?

 

[RogueHanger]

We are however not building anything like enough houses (and associated infrastructure) to keep parity with the rate of immigration, let alone "indigenous" population growth. And we haven't done for a few years.

Rather a short-sighted argument, Brigadier. You need to consider net migration, not just immigration, to compare with house or infrastructure requirements.
Considering housing, you'll also need to consider demolition of houses, replacement, changing demographics, changing social needs, and probably a host of other factors.
So, don't just pick the factors that suit your argument, because that's a short-sighted argument.

 

[RogueHanger]

It doesn't matter how loud you say, "I am not a racist". It's your actions not words that speak louder.

I don’t believe in positive discrimination. I believe the best person should get the job regardless and irrespective of whoever and however many of a particular stereotype that may or may not be! The clue is in the word “discrimination”. For that you think I’m racist?

Positive discrimination is sometimes a useful tool for various reasons, eg for overcoming institutional racism, or ensuring that some institutions represent those that they serve, or the employer recognises that a fair mix of people are required, etc.
For the same reason, a requirement for a certain gender is not necessarily sexist or positive discrimination. It all depends on the role that they are required to perform.

If I ever find love again I don’t give a damn if she’s black, white, yellow or purple. You dismiss that and still think I’m racist.

It's not been mentioned before, but it's not relevant either. So, yes, it's dismissed. Except that, I wish you happiness.

I believe you can have a preference or free choice about who you want to date, whether that’s in favour of white or black. Again, I personally wouldn’t mind what colour a lover or a friend is but if someone has a preference, that’s their business and free choice. For that you think I’m racist?

Not at all, as I said, it's not been mentioned before.

I highlight an example from my own life of someone who had a preference for white girls but daren’t’ say it in those terms and then you assume or imply I think all black men want the same.

I did not said anything, nor implied anything of the sort. You're imagining things.

(When I was just highlighting the pathos of him not being able to say what he really means).

Then why highlight it? And why phrase it in the way you did. It was your perception of someone else's requirements that implied your problem, not his.

Then, lastly, you come on here like Dr. Phil implying we have some mental issues we are not aware of.

Cognitive dissonance is not a mental problem. It's a fact of life.

Is the anticipation and excitement of winning your argument discordant with how things turned out?

So how do you think things have turned out?

To borrow from elsewhere, perhaps you're upset because the argument did not go well, but also because of the inconsistency between your expectations.

Perhaps you should re-read the post about tactical and strategic objectives, victories, etc.
The racially abusive posters are out of the woodwork and continuing with their abusive posts.

So maybe you are suffering from the uncomfortable state of cognitive dissonance yourself.

If I am, I can assure you it's not uncomfortable. it's becoming more and more comfortable because of your outbursts, which indicate that you are becoming more uncomfortable.

I mean did you really expect everyone here to say yes we are racist and tick the thankyou button on your post for pointing it out to us ignorant and unenlightened?

Hardly, likely. But any spectators will make up their own mind about the GD forum, and the posters that suppot or thank racially abusive posters.

 

[RogueHanger]

I nearly spat my tea out when a black guy at work once said after he met the girl of his dreams “I always wanted a girl with green eyes”. What ****! Can you see what he was really saying there? Why didn’t he just say he wanted a white piece of a$$ ffs, it’s no big deal. I think racism is a bit like porn. I can’t define it but I’d know it if I saw it.

I think you should have stopped writing a few lines back, BT. It's as good as negated everything that you've said before. Which is a shame, really.
You've demonstrated that you wouldn't know racism, if you saw it.
There are many black celebrities with green eyes.

Incidentally, though I wouldn't totally agree with your colleague, I would agree that black people with green eyes are attractive

This is your part post and my response in its entirety, BT. Now please explain how I implied, or suggested that you thought, that all males of any ethnicity are looking for girlfriends of any particular colour.
It was your perception of your friends requirements that were prejudiced.

 

[Big Tone]

You’re the one who highlighted that part of my post in particular as some kind of example of how racist it was, or how I am. If you don’t like my examples, that’s fine! Your words that somehow that part in particular “negated” everything is ridiculous. It’s a true example of how stuffy PC people can be when, as I said, it should have been “no big deal” to tell it as it is. Examples are a part of what we all gain throughout life and use.

You’re so focused on trying to accuse or somehow prove everyone’s a racist, but you’re just looking more like a jobs-worth. No one dare say anything because someone like you is looking for even the most innocuous remark as proof of racism. While I'm here, may I ask do you mind if I carry on using Afro-American please, or will you take that as yet more more 'proof' that I hate non-white?

As for “abusive posters” I hope you’re not accusing me of that now without proof? Add: Oh, and where are my "outbursts" btw? I've been a gentleman so far.

 

[RogueHanger]

You’re the one who highlighted that part of my post in particular as some kind of example of how racist it was, or how I am. If you don’t like my examples, that’s fine! Your words that somehow that part in particular “negated” everything is ridiculous.

As I said, if you claim that you do not have racial motivations, but then demonstrate your prejudice, it does in my view, negate your claim, irrespective of how vehemenent it was/is. When the rest of you post was a reasonable argument, it's a shame when it's spoiled by a prejudicial perception.

It’s a true example of how stuffy PC people can be when, as I said, it should have been “no big deal” to tell it as it is.

You told it as you saw it. Perhaps you could have worded it better, but you didn't.

Examples are a part of what we all gain throughout life and use.

In deed, and we use those examples to demonstrate our views, as you did.

You’re so focused on trying to accuse or somehow prove everyone’s a racist,

Now you're being absurd.

but you’re just looking more like a jobs-worth. No one dare say anything because someone like you is looking for even the most innocuous remark as proof of racism.

Your view of those who want to stamp out racism?

While I'm here, may I ask do you mind if I carry on using Afro-American please, or will you take that as yet more more 'proof' that I hate non-white?

Ypu can use whatever expressions you like. I have no poblem with Afro-American. As far as I am aware, it is not a term of racial abuse.

As for “abusive posters” I hope you’re not accusing me of that now without proof?

Your attitude has some prejudicial undertones. As indicated by your perception of your black colleague. Did it not occur to you that black people have green eyes?

Add: Oh, and where are my "outbursts" btw? I've been a gentleman so far.

Re-read your own posts and consider, "were they calm, reasonable arguments?"

 

[JBR]

If I ever find love again I don’t give a damn if she’s black, white, yellow or purple. You dismiss that and still think I’m racist.

I'd like to point out that I find your statement rather greenist.

 

[Big Tone]

You’re the one who highlighted that part of my post in particular as some kind of example of how racist it was, or how I am. If you don’t like my examples, that’s fine! Your words that somehow that part in particular “negated” everything is ridiculous.

As I said, if you claim that you do not have racial motivations, but then demonstrate your prejudice..

No. I see things and I tell them as they are. I don’t see white guys winning the 100 meters or Black guys in the Tour de France. You can put your own slant on it but that’s a fact whether you like it or not.

As I said, if you claim that you do not have racial motivations, but then demonstrate your prejudice, it does in my view, negate your claim, irrespective of how vehemenent it was/is. When the rest of you post was a reasonable argument, it's a shame when it's spoiled by a prejudicial perception.

That’s close to libel, but since we’re all friends here. I think you’re confusing an account of events as prejudice. My previous comment could also be prejudice then in your book. (But only the reference to the Tour De France bit where I mentioin "black"?).

It’s a true example of how stuffy PC people can be when, as I said, it should have been “no big deal” to tell it as it is.

You told it as you saw it. Perhaps you could have worded it better, but you didn't.

I could have. Looking back, in my rush, in between other more important things I should have been doing, I did leave out a question mark which changed something I wanted to ask into a statement instead. My mistake, but forgivable and nothing others haven’t either done or don’t understand.

but you’re just looking more like a jobs-worth. No one dare say anything because someone like you is looking for even the most innocuous remark as proof of racism.

Your view of those who want to stamp out racism?

You know what? I honestly think there’s a much bigger problem with real racism which affects others between different castes. If I know any whites guys who are, they’re hiding it very well. (Waits for you to say “well your white AFAIK and you know yourself").

Your attitude has some prejudicial undertones. As indicated by your perception of your black colleague. Did it not occur to you that black people have green eyes?

Yes, when they wear ‘coloured’ contact lenses or of mixed race. (Phew! Nearly said half-cast then which would definitely make me racist ). But you obviously didn’t read what I said I already knew about him earlier and that, to me at least, is no big deal. Just tell it as it is.

Add: Oh, and where are my "outbursts" btw? I've been a gentleman so far.

Re-read your own posts and consider, "were they calm, reasonable arguments?"

And yours are? Look back and see how you have been abusive, or would you like me to point? Two wrongs don’t make a right you know...

 

[Big Tone]

If I ever find love again I don’t give a damn if she’s black, white, yellow or purple. You dismiss that and still think I’m racist ?

I'd like to point out that I find your statement rather greenist.

Ok, truth is I've always fancied you Big J. Tell me you've got green eyes though. I've always fancied a beefcake with green eyes.

(The red bit is what I missed out on the original btw)

 

[Brigadier]

We are however not building anything like enough houses (and associated infrastructure) to keep parity with the rate of immigration, let alone "indigenous" population growth. And we haven't done for a few years.

Rather a short-sighted argument, Brigadier. You need to consider net migration, not just immigration, to compare with house or infrastructure requirements.
Considering housing, you'll also need to consider demolition of houses, replacement, changing demographics, changing social needs, and probably a host of other factors.
So, don't just pick the factors that suit your argument, because that's a short-sighted argument.

What is net migration, if not a function of immigration and emigration?
You are the one who is picking, to suit your ends.

And if you had correctly recalled my original post, you would see that I linked and referred specifically and explicitly to "net migration" (in the Guardian, if I recall).[/quote]

 

[jockscott]

but you’re just looking more like a jobs-worth. No one dare say anything because someone like you is looking for even the most innocuous remark as proof of racism.

Your view of those who want to stamp out racism?

Nah RH, this is Big Tone's view of YOU.

 

[JBR]

If I ever find love again I don’t give a damn if she’s black, white, yellow or purple. You dismiss that and still think I’m racist ?

I'd like to point out that I find your statement rather greenist.

Ok, truth is I've always fancied you Big J. Tell me you've got green eyes though. I've always fancied a beefcake with green eyes.

(The red bit is what I missed out on the original btw)

They're hazel actually. Is that near enough?

 

[Big Tone]

If I ever find love again I don’t give a damn if she’s black, white, yellow or purple. You dismiss that and still think I’m racist ?

I'd like to point out that I find your statement rather greenist.

Ok, truth is I've always fancied you Big J. Tell me you've got green eyes though. I've always fancied a beefcake with green eyes.

(The red bit is what I missed out on the original btw)

They're hazel actually. Is that near enough?

Same as my sisters. That would be weird

 

[RogueHanger]

No. I see things and I tell them as they are.

Well, to be precise, you see and hear things, then give your interpretation of what you'd just experienced. On that occasion, you assumed that your black colleague had a preference for white girls because he stated he had a preference for girls with green eyes. So,
a) your interpretation was not correct. Black and white girls have green eyes.
b) you were outraged (you nearly spat out your tea. And your exclamation of what*****. Remember?) by his preference.
c) What the heck has it to do with you what his preference is!
d) What is wrong with people specifying a peference for partners with green eyes, black hair, long legs or whatever attribute they find attractive?

I don’t see white guys winning the 100 meters or Black guys in the Tour de France. You can put your own slant on it but that’s a fact whether you like it or not.

What the heck has this to do with the discussion? I think you're being absurd.

As I said, if you claim that you do not have racial motivations, but then demonstrate your prejudice, it does in my view, negate your claim, irrespective of how vehemenent it was/is. When the rest of you post was a reasonable argument, it's a shame when it's spoiled by a prejudicial perception.

That’s close to libel, but since we’re all friends here.

The song "Sue me" from Guys and Dolls comes to mind:
"Call a lawyer and sue me."

I think you’re confusing an account of events as prejudice.

Not at all, I'm considering your intepretation of events as prejudiced.

My previous comment could also be prejudice then in your book. (But only the reference to the Tour De France bit where I mentioin "black"?).

You're being absurd again.

It’s a true example of how stuffy PC people can be when, as I said, it should have been “no big deal” to tell it as it is.

You told it as you saw it. Perhaps you could have worded it better, but you didn't.

I could have. Looking back, in my rush, in between other more important things I should have been doing, I did leave out a question mark which changed something I wanted to ask into a statement instead. My mistake, but forgivable and nothing others haven’t either done or don’t understand.

Would you like another go?

but you’re just looking more like a jobs-worth. No one dare say anything because someone like you is looking for even the most innocuous remark as proof of racism.

Your view of those who want to stamp out racism?

You know what? I honestly think there’s a much bigger problem with real racism which affects others between different castes.

So what are you saying, "there is a problem, but it's not mine."? Would you deny that there have been several racially abusive comments on this thread and others? You seem to be adept at overtly aligning yourself with those racially prejudiced posters, therefore, implicitly condoning their comments.

If I know any whites guys who are, they’re hiding it very well. (Waits for you to say “well your white AFAIK and you know yourself").

What are you saying? That there are no racially abusive comments on this or other threads? Or that there are no racially prejudiced white people?

Your attitude has some prejudicial undertones. As indicated by your perception of your black colleague. Did it not occur to you that black people have green eyes?

Yes, when they wear ‘coloured’ contact lenses or of mixed race.

What the heck are you talking about now?

What nonsense(Phew! Nearly said half-cast then which would definitely make me racist ).

You think it's OK to trivialise racism?

But you obviously didn’t read what I said I already knew about him earlier and that, to me at least, is no big deal. Just tell it as it is.

You did tell us your interpretation of his statement.

Add: Oh, and where are my "outbursts" btw? I've been a gentleman so far.

Re-read your own posts and consider, "were they calm, reasonable arguments?"

And yours are? Look back and see how you have been abusive, or would you like me to point? Two wrongs don’t make a right you know...

I've been the first to admit that I've responded to abuse with abuse. Niether the initial abuse, nor the response is acceptable. But I'm demonstrating that I'm more than happy to respond like with like.

But I'll say it again. It doesn't matter how many times or how loud you shout, "I'm not a racist". It's your actions that demonstrate your attitude.

To trivialise racism is to ignore its negative and harmful effects. To condone it is to agree with it.

 

[RogueHanger]

but you’re just looking more like a jobs-worth. No one dare say anything because someone like you is looking for even the most innocuous remark as proof of racism.

Your view of those who want to stamp out racism?

Nah RH, this is Big Tone's view of YOU.

Maybe, but has Big Tone got the bottle to either stand up and say "I don't mind racism" or "I abhor racism".
And if he has, has he got the bottle to reinforce his statement with positive action. Or will he descend back into his trivialisation of racism, or, worse, explicitly supporting the racially prejudiced posters?