Nope, its not sillyWith respect, that surely is a particularly silly suggestion?I believe the members of JPEL/64 have precisely that authority (in respect to BS7671)
Nope, its not sillyWith respect, that surely is a particularly silly suggestion?I believe the members of JPEL/64 have precisely that authority (in respect to BS7671)
We definitely disagree, then. To me it seems ridiculous to suggest that someone who may have done something which is not acceptable to the general public should be regarded as an authority on what is acceptable to the general public!Nope, its not silly
Putting aside the words 'not acceptable', which were perhaps ill-chosen and appear to be provoking emotions, I have to say I'm rather surprised that no-one seems to be acknowledging that there are grey areas, and situations in which opinions/interpretations will vary, in terms of what is 'accessible'.... it is you who is asserting that it is not acceptable for the regs to have omitted to define the word accessible to your satisafction when you seem to be the only person who is struggling with it.
We definitely disagree, then. To me it seems ridiculous to suggest that someone who may have done something which is not acceptable to the general public should be regarded as an authority on what is acceptable to the general public!Nope, its not silly
Kind Regards, John.
We definitely disagree, then. To me it seems ridiculous to suggest that someone who may have done something which is not acceptable to the general public should be regarded as an authority on what is acceptable to the general public!Nope, its not silly
Kind Regards, John.
Why is everyone making such a meal out of this? With the benefit of hindsight, I obvioulsy should not have used the words 'not acceptable' - but, given that I did, it is surely the case that the only people who can determine what is acceptable to the general public are the general public?What on Earth are you taliking about? Apart from a handful of people, BS7671 is a mystery to the general public. Does it really matter that they don't have a definition of the word accessible? I thought you were going to sort out your next set of experts.
One of us must have done - since it seems crazy to me that someone other than the general public should be able to decree what is acceptable to the general public. It's like me telling you whether or not you would find something acceptable, regardless of your views!Sorry John, but with respect, i think you are losing the plot a bit.To me it seems ridiculous to suggest that someone who may have done something which is not acceptable to the general public should be regarded as an authority on what is acceptable to the general public!
You mean this list? ...John, just out of curiosity, have you seen the list of members comprising JPEL/64 and the various group they represent?
I presume your point is that the 'general public' are in some senses represented (by consumer groups etc.) and that all the individual committee members are, of course, members of the general public. However, I still think it is wrong to suggest that the committee can speak on behalf of the general public in relation to a suggestion that they may not be acting in accordances with the wishes of the (wider) general public.Who is currently involved in this committee
A C E - Assn. for Consultancy & Eng.
A E A - Agricultural Engineers Assn.
A M D E A - Assn. of Manuf.s of Domest
Assn. of Manuf.s of Power Generating
B E A M A Installation Ltd
B E A M A Ltd.
British Cables Association
Chartered Inst.n of Building Services
City & Guilds of London Inst.
DC Users Forum
Department for Communities and Local
E N A - Energy Networks Association
E R A Technology Ltd
EAL
Electrical Contractors Association
Energy Institute
G A M B I C A Association Limited
H E V A C Association
H S E - Health and Safety Executive
I E T - Inst.n of Eng. and Technology
Inst. of Healthcare Eng. & Estate Mgmt
Institution of Lighting Professionals
Intertek Group PLC
Lighting Association
Lighting Industry Federation Ltd
M o D - U K Defence Standardization
N A P I T - National Association of
N I C E I C Group Ltd
Panel Member
Professional Lighting and Sound Assn.
R I A - Railway Industry Association
S C E M E
S E L E C T
Safety Assessment Federation Ltd
The Electrical Safety Council
U N I T E - The Union
United Kingdom Accreditation Service
Yep, thats the one.You mean this list? ...John, just out of curiosity, have you seen the list of members comprising JPEL/64 and the various group they represent?
Who is currently involved in this committee
A C E - Assn. for Consultancy & Eng.
A E A - Agricultural Engineers Assn.
A M D E A - Assn. of Manuf.s of Domest
Assn. of Manuf.s of Power Generating
B E A M A Installation Ltd
B E A M A Ltd.
British Cables Association
Chartered Inst.n of Building Services
City & Guilds of London Inst.
DC Users Forum
Department for Communities and Local
E N A - Energy Networks Association
E R A Technology Ltd
EAL
Electrical Contractors Association
Energy Institute
G A M B I C A Association Limited
H E V A C Association
H S E - Health and Safety Executive
I E T - Inst.n of Eng. and Technology
Inst. of Healthcare Eng. & Estate Mgmt
Institution of Lighting Professionals
Intertek Group PLC
Lighting Association
Lighting Industry Federation Ltd
M o D - U K Defence Standardization
N A P I T - National Association of
N I C E I C Group Ltd
Panel Member
Professional Lighting and Sound Assn.
R I A - Railway Industry Association
S C E M E
S E L E C T
Safety Assessment Federation Ltd
The Electrical Safety Council
U N I T E - The Union
United Kingdom Accreditation Service
Yep, thats it.I presume your point is that the 'general public' are in some senses represented (by consumer groups etc.) and that all the individual committee members are, of course, members of the general public.
In which case I can but repeat my sentence which followed the one you have quoted, namely:Yep, thats it.I presume your point is that the 'general public' are in some senses represented (by consumer groups etc.) and that all the individual committee members are, of course, members of the general public.
A democratic government is probably close to the ultimate example of a group of people who represent the general public, in as much as they are elected by the general public - but even such a government would not usually presume to be able to speak for what was regarded as acceptable by the general public they represent, or to be able to assume that everything they did would inevitably be regarded by the general public as acceptable.However, I still think it is wrong to suggest that the committee can speak on behalf of the general public in relation to a suggestion that they may not be acting in accordances with the wishes of the (wider) general public.
Well, if its now just a case of repeat yourself........In which case I can but repeat.....
Sorry John, but with respect, i think you are losing the plot a bit.
Ah, well that's a different matter, which we have not been discussing!John, the requirements for electrical installation provided in BS7671 do not need to be acceptable to the general public...
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