Because Harry Shipman is a blindingly obvious example that having all the right paperwork and procedures in place doesn't count for everything.
He didn't have the right paperwork and procedures in place though, did he.
If you were a self employed electrician in the trade, you might know:
>Certificates may not be worth the paper they're written on. I've seen cert's with lets just say "the most prestigious logos" that barely resemble the installations they relate to.
I'm sure that is true, but it doesn't mean that not testing, not being able to test, not issuing certificates, not being insured, not complying with the law and not keeping up to date are what makes a skilled and knowledgeable professional.
>There are many people doing really, really bad work, with no attempt to meet the requirements of BS 7671, sometimes "certified" and sometimes not, and they're getting away with it because nobody "up there" cares.
I'm sure that is true, but it doesn't mean that not testing, not being able to test, not issuing certificates, not being insured, not complying with the law and not keeping up to date are what makes a skilled and knowledgeable professional.
The "system" you're defending isn't working.
What system am I defending?
Testing? That's in BS 7671 isn't it? Do you not think people should comply with it?
Having the equipment to enable you to test? That's in BS 7671 isn't it? Do you not think people should comply with it?
Issuing certificates? That's in BS 7671 isn't it? Do you not think people should comply with it?
Being insured? Don't you think that's good practice?
Complying with the law? Don't you think people should?
Keeping skills up to date? Don't you think that's good practice?
I'm all for better standards, because I'm the guy who has to "give people bad news" all too often,
So why do you think that not testing, not being able to test, not issuing certificates, not being insured, not complying with the law and not keeping up to date are what makes a skilled and knowledgeable professional?
so don't dare lecture me on what you think is right and wrong, because I'm sick of the reality.
But not sick of the reality of people claiming to be skilled and knowledgeable despite not complying with the Wiring Regulations, not complying with the law and putting their customers property at risk?
Why did I have to disconnect a towell heater with no earth connection, no RCD, practically in a bath, with no isolation (unless you count a timer) or fusing down from the ring? Why did I tell someone a couple of months ago I gotta smash up their beautiful new kitchen with no ring continuity, and 0.1 Meg insulation readings and rewire it?
Dunno - maybe because those jobs had been done by people who thought it was OK to not test, not be able to test, not issue certificates, not be insured, not comply with the law and not keep up to date?
These jobs were not done by electricians ducking and diving. These are your real bodgers, the people we need rid of, not the blokes who havn't calibrated their loop tester for 13 months or don't have a f**king "written customer compaints procedure"
That doesn't mean that not testing, not being able to test, not issuing certificates, not being insured, not complying with the law and not keeping up to date are what makes a skilled and knowledgeable professional.
Part P has failed spectacularly.
Au contraire - it boosted NICEIC's revenues substantially. Maybe not permanently though.
So perhaps we should go back and start again, and y'know what, there are thousands of old sparks out there who've wired millions of property's before part P, 99.999999% of which are fine.
And were those thousands of sparks failing to comply with BS 7671, breaking laws, and putting their customers at risk by not having adequate insurance?