yeah your right,i will be able to at least support two joist on them ,but my thinking was that because the large supporting wall has no wall underneath it on the ground floor because of a through lounge i thought i might as well leave the joist self supporting ,its only £32 per joist and all i need is 8 of them so might as well let them take the load,going to put up shelves on the party wall to take the heavy tools etc..........but what do you think about the heavy duty splice plate idea? got a quote of £8 exc vat per plate