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Alarm

Joined: 18 Oct 2010 Posts: 8971 Location: London, United Kingdom Thanked: 527 times
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:55 am |
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| alumni wrote: | | denso13 wrote: | | lee2009 wrote: | | alarm link me up to these regs if you can, and others concerning alarms |
I can maybe help there Lee, if you want. PM me. |
Naughty naughty.
Breach of copyright? |
Ever so slightly.
BSI might take a dim view here. |
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denso13

Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1339 Location: United Kingdom Thanked: 228 times
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:11 am |
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No.
| Alarm wrote: | Ever so slightly.
BSI might take a dim view here. |
Why would that be then, given that you know nothing about me. |
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Alarm

Joined: 18 Oct 2010 Posts: 8971 Location: London, United Kingdom Thanked: 527 times
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:19 am |
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The regs are copyright.
You buy a copy with certain restrictions.
One being not passing them on or reprinting.
There are exceptions but here does not apply.
| Quote: | | 3. Under no circumstances is the Licensee permitted to reproduce all or part of any British Standard contained in the British Standards Online Service for external use or for use on any other site or group of sites, except as defined in 1 or 2 above. |
Once again you show the ethos of many here, which is F*** the regs. Do as you want.
Either that or you cannot or did not read the agreement of you actually did buy the regs in the first place.
But your reply shows you also have a misunderstanding of the written word anyway. |
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denso13

Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1339 Location: United Kingdom Thanked: 228 times
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:23 am |
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Completely wrong in my situation, have another go.
Last edited by denso13 on Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:24 am, edited 1 time in total |
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JohnD

Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 34463 Location: Hampshire, United Kingdom Thanked: 1096 times
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:24 am |
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Mr Judgypants is crotchety again. |
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Alarm

Joined: 18 Oct 2010 Posts: 8971 Location: London, United Kingdom Thanked: 527 times
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:24 am |
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I like the misquote.
Really its wonderful.
You could have at least been witty.
3. Under no circumstances is the Licensee permitted to reproduce all or part of any British Standard contained in the British Standards Online Service for external use or for use on any other site or group of sites, except as defined in 1 or 2 above. |
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Alarm

Joined: 18 Oct 2010 Posts: 8971 Location: London, United Kingdom Thanked: 527 times
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:25 am |
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But i can see the comedy is early today, so you lot carry on.
I`ll be having fun, cya later. |
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denso13

Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1339 Location: United Kingdom Thanked: 228 times
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:27 am |
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All perfectly above board, make no mistake. |
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Jibbeh

Joined: 19 Jul 2011 Posts: 130 Location: Derbyshire, United Kingdom Thanked: 12 times
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:28 pm |
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| Quote: | When using a confirmation detector such as the Pyronix TMD15, the
BS8243 clause 5.4.3 states that it should be declared at installation.
This would typically be with the URN application. |
Deal with it. |
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lee2009

Joined: 24 Nov 2008 Posts: 675 Location: Northumberland, United Kingdom Thanked: 35 times
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:48 pm |
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re the regs, i thought however wrong i was, that these regs would be available foc on a website, with the option to purhcase a hard copy or a pdf version.
if the regs are to be obeyed, then i belive they should be made available free of charge on a website, however right or wrong that may sound. |
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denso13

Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1339 Location: United Kingdom Thanked: 228 times
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:57 pm |
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Just remember though, BS's and codes of practice are not the law. From the BSI website "Standards are designed for voluntary use and do not impose any regulations." The standards demonstrate ways of complying with laws and regulations, but they are not the only way. |
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JohnD

Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 34463 Location: Hampshire, United Kingdom Thanked: 1096 times
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:01 pm |
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Lee, you might find that "regulations" apply, not to the general public doing DIY work on their own homes, but by people wishing to conform to the rules of an organisation to which they choose to belong, in order to qualify for the benefits of being members of that organisation.
For example, you might choose to join an organisation which gave you a fastrack to Planning Permission approvals, and it might be a rule of that organisation that under some circumstances you were required to roll up one trouser leg.
No person choosing not to join your organisation would have any obligation to roll up his trouser leg. If the fancy took him, he might, or might not, choose to do it voluntarily, but there would be no compulsion on him, and no penalty for not doing it.
Some of the things Alarm people like to call Regulations are like that. Look out for them trying it on.
Of course, if someone can show you a Law requiring you to roll up your trouser leg, or follow some other requirement, then you would have an obligation to follow it.
edit: Denso types faster than me, but does not share my literary style  |
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lee2009

Joined: 24 Nov 2008 Posts: 675 Location: Northumberland, United Kingdom Thanked: 35 times
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:04 pm |
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cheers lads, yes i understand they dont apply to diy, they were just something i wanted to read over in my spare time. |
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lee2009

Joined: 24 Nov 2008 Posts: 675 Location: Northumberland, United Kingdom Thanked: 35 times
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:05 pm |
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so i could say, that buying a hard copy of these voluntary regs, is simply a money making exercise? |
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JohnD

Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 34463 Location: Hampshire, United Kingdom Thanked: 1096 times
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:09 pm |
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For example here
the words imply that he is talking about regulations you are obliged to follow, but the context shows that he is talking about British Standards, which are not regulations.
If you want to read some BS documents, ask at your local library. You've already paid through your Council Tax. |
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