High Court orders the blocking of the pirate bay.

[enyam]

If a cap had been put on it from the start with people being punished at the start then p2p sites would not exist but now it's a struggle to put the genie back in the bottle.

I would say its to late to slam the stable door the horse has long bolted.

 

[joe-90]

They give you the book to read or the DVD to watch for as long as you want it - bit like P2P eh?

But it's the physical item and it is on the basis that you pay or are fined for late return..

Who gets the money when you read a book from the library? Who gets the fine?

 

[skyboy]

I am guessing here that the books and dvds in libraries were originally purchased with money and that the government or local councils will pay some royalties in relation to their distribution in a similar way to businesses who play music to staff paying for a prs licence.
Whatever the arrangements it is a long established accepted system that in no way reflects the operation of a p2p system where the original item is never actually paid for.

 

[ellal]

Fancy words which mean nothing...

Because I still don't give a f*ck....

Indeed I do not have any argument with that at least you have the honesty to say so instead of trying to dress it up or make excuses...

The problem is some people struggle with being called a thief and try their best to bend words and meanings to justify what they actually know to be wrong.. you however are a breath of fresh air and will no doubt continue as you are until the point where isp's are forced to reveal downloaders and people start getting hefty fines or jail.

But you are making hay while the sun shines...

The system is wrong. If a cap had been put on it from the start with people being punished at the start then p2p sites would not exist but now it's a struggle to put the genie back in the bottle.

Funnily enough, there is no basis in English (common) law where people can be fined or jailed for copyright infringement - if you know what you are doing...

That said I live by MY commercial moral code...which is that I will decide what is right or wrong, as long as I am willing to face up to any possible consequences...

 

[joe-90]

Neither is it at the library. Pirate Bay is just another library. You ain't gonna change the world, kid - go with the flow.

 

[skyboy]

Neither is it at the library. Pirate Bay is just another library. You ain't gonna change the world, kid - go with the flow.

I aint gonna change the world , like I said the genie is already out of the bottle.

My intserest comes from the fact I was once going to be a professional musician/band and from that perpective I just see it all as wrong an unethical.
As mentioned I have ties with a recent chartopping band of the last four years and their views are exactly the same..

 

[joe-90]

I was once going to be a pro muso too, and I couldn't care less if anyone pays or doesn't pay for music. I've almost finished my first novel, if it gets published I would be quite happy for anyone to read it, pay or not pay.
The best music is 'open mike' who makes a fortune doing that?

 

[skyboy]

I'd like to agree with you there but sadly I have heard some atrocious open mike stuff.lol.
But you make guitars for musicians and you don't believe that they think it's wrong?
Is this then a principle thing that all the best musicians are overlooked and every pub band is worth ten of anything in the charts so therefore I am going to rip them off?

 

[joe-90]

I don't care if I get paid for music, I've played guitar for nigh on 50 years and it's a great hobby. I didn't want to spend a life on benefits so I never went the so-called pro route. Music should be free. I don't care if Bono or some mug on Teen Idiot gets ripped off - I really don't.

 

[skyboy]

Well that tidies things up - you have taken a stand as a matter of principle and are ignoring the legal issues.

 

[joe-90]

Yup.

 

[snico]

Of course but that is not the same - the DVD or CD is a single copy. If I have borrowed it then the lender is deprived.

It is excactly the same...you have no rights doing it.

They mass produce copies of DVD/CD's for you to buy...not to borrow.

In the digital world, they make copies with no physical items, outlay costs are tiny.

You buy a DVD and probably watch it a couple of times then it gets stuck on a shelf. If you want to watch it, you should buy it, seeing as it costs them more money to produce than digital.

 

[Space cat]

You buy a DVD and probably watch it a couple of times then it gets stuck on a shelf. If you want to watch it, you should buy it, seeing as it costs them more money to produce than digital.

All my DVDs are legitimate retail copies. I must have near on a hundred of them, bought mostly from ASDA or Play (some second-hand) at an average price of about £3-50p. I daresay I could have downloaded copies of dubious quality for free but why bother? I'd still have to buy a blank disc and a box to put it in - and print labels for them too.

What this tells me is that the movie industry has got it right. If the genuine article is cheap enough, people will buy it.

 

[ellal]

You buy a DVD and probably watch it a couple of times then it gets stuck on a shelf. If you want to watch it, you should buy it, seeing as it costs them more money to produce than digital.

All my DVDs are legitimate retail copies. I must have near on a hundred of them, bought mostly from ASDA or Play (some second-hand) at an average price of about £3-50p. I daresay I could have downloaded copies of dubious quality for free but why bother? I'd still have to buy a blank disc and a box to put it in - and print labels for them too.

What this tells me is that the movie industry has got it right. If the genuine article is cheap enough, people will buy it.

So what if you can get out of date movies at £3.50...

How much are the new ones?...Are they cheap enough?

And if you download, why the need for boxes?...Digital files are just as durable as their physical counterparts - and they don't take up any wall space!

SD movies take about 10 mins to download on average...HD about double that.

I also don't contribute anywhere near as much to 'global warming' (lol) due to no delivery/productions costs, so in fact by downloading I'm contributing to the Earth's survival...

 

[Space cat]

Digital files are just as durable as their physical counterparts - and they don't take up any wall space!

That's true. I can already imagine some yet-to-be-born teenager saying "Grandad, what's in all those boxes?" I've also considered that, by then, the hardware I'll need to play them might be difficult to obtain.

It's quite likely that the future of home entertainment will be an array (no, not the phased variety - though maybe that as well ) of hard discs or memory chips with everything on it: music, movies, photos, games, you name it. When that happens, as I'm sure it will, I'll copy all my stuff onto the new media. In the meantime, I still like to have my DVDs in boxes on a shelf where I can go "eeny-meeny, let's watch this one today."

How much are the new ones?...Are they cheap enough?

I don't mind waiting until they are cheap enough. I have no great need to see a movie as soon as it comes out.

I also don't contribute anywhere near as much to 'global warming' (lol) due to no delivery/productions costs, so in fact by downloading I'm contributing to the Earth's survival...

Well I can't argue with that.