...anti-European's heads. That's why it has been made up and trumpeted noisily, although no such demand has been made.
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...anti-European's heads. That's why it has been made up and trumpeted noisily, although no such demand has been made.
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You raise a good point. Text book negotiation tactic known as "storm before calm".
It's been reported in every single paper and news channel. Looks like they're all fake news now!
Do you think that newspapers are responsible for setting government or EU policy?
Read them again.
Disregard any that say "It is estimated that..."
Look for a report that says "The EU Commission has issued an official demand"
Can you find one?
Read them again.
Disregard any that say "It is estimated that..."
Look for a report that says "The EU Commission has issued an official demand"
Can you find one?
That's exactly my point. All they say is "...according to the Financial Times." 
"We read the financial times for you. Here's what it said. No idea if it's legit, but we mostly copy news from other papers anyway so."
"We read the financial times for you. Here's what it said. No idea if it's legit, but we mostly copy news from other papers anyway so."
I've no idea what you're talking about. Have you been smoking the reefa again?
Interestingly, the FT also says:
"Warnings of staff relocations after Brexit jump
More than a quarter of 222 financial services firms expect to move workers"
"Market share loss threatens London insurance hub"
"Hiscox plumps for Luxembourg over Malta for new EU base"
"MacKenzie heads for Sun exit in Murdoch clearout
Loyalty to former editor ends after contentious ‘gorilla’ footballer column"
"Tories seek to keep campaign spotlight on May
Strategy aimed at promoting PM’s popularity while Labour focuses on policies"
Did the red-tops also repeat those stories?
"Warnings of staff relocations after Brexit jump
More than a quarter of 222 financial services firms expect to move workers"
"Market share loss threatens London insurance hub"
"Hiscox plumps for Luxembourg over Malta for new EU base"
"MacKenzie heads for Sun exit in Murdoch clearout
Loyalty to former editor ends after contentious ‘gorilla’ footballer column"
"Tories seek to keep campaign spotlight on May
Strategy aimed at promoting PM’s popularity while Labour focuses on policies"
Did the red-tops also repeat those stories?
I'm sorry that you are not equipped to tell the difference between a newspaper's estimate of account balances, and a demand for a punitive charge.
Nobody has demanded a charge or a punishment.
The anti-European campaigners are working hard to create the myth that some kind of penalty charge has been demanded. It hasn't.
Nobody has demanded a charge or a punishment.
The anti-European campaigners are working hard to create the myth that some kind of penalty charge has been demanded. It hasn't.
Yes. I know. That's why I have been agreeing with you this whole time.
Agreeing?
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Absolutely correct. there is no exit fee!
Totally incorrect. The amount to be paid is for existing agreed contributions that UK made for certain programmes, etc, prior to the referendum/Article 50 invocation/Actual Brexit.
This will include costs for EU employees, etc.
In addition, most papers, etc are calling Brexit a divorce. It is not a divorce, it is UK leaving a club.
The difference is, in a divorce the assets are divided among the two parties. But in leaving a club, the leaving member has no claim on any assets.
It cannot be a divorce because the EU is made up of 28 members, therefore it is more akin to a club.
Now to draw an analogy, suppose you were a member of the local golf club. The club wanted to build a new clubhouse. It asked for contributions from the members, over a period of years, to build the new clubhouse. After some years, you decided to leave the club, but there are still previously agreed contributions owing. You cannot simply walk away from that agreement, even though you are free to leave the club. Similarly, you would have no claim over the assets because you are voluntarily leaving, and the club continues to exist.
As John said, the bill has not yet been formulated, by the EU. It has been estimated by various organisations. Obviously, the more pro-Brexit organisations will inflate that estimate to paint the EU in a poor light, and to soften the real bill when it is formulated.
Back to Wobs's cognitive dissonance, if a behaviour is incongruent with an attitude/belief/value, the sufferer seeks to alleviate the dissonance. On this occasion the pro-Brexiteers are building up resentment against an imaginary future bill, so that when a lesser bill arrives the attitude/belief/value is relieved and disharmony is avoided.
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