Leading brexiteer champions more immigration...

[BlueLoo]

**** all to do with labour shortages and everything to do with importing demand.
Capitalism requires growth.

 

[ellal]

Clearly the Brexit that transpired did exactly the opposite!

Put 17 million or so brexiteers into a room and you'll get 17 million or so answers as to 'their brexit' idea...

But they'll all probably agree on a couple of things...

They don't like foreigners, and they don't care about their children's/grandchildren's life choices!

 

[ajohn]

my point is economic self interest determines where individuals locate their business not lofty ideals about Brexit.

I wouldn't disagree. Dyson had what can prove to be a problem in the UK. He needs a supply chain of a number of items to build his products. He finished up importing so much he switched his manufacture to the far east. This can happen just down to increasing sales. He might even find it difficult to get enough people to put them together. The factory that does that - it's had some bad press. They want as much out their workforce price wise as they can. He keeps design here.

Anyone can do similar if they want. Say kickstarter. A bloke came up with an idea for a coffee grinder. Funded that way and while listing there sold £10m quids worth. All manufacture and parts assembly done in China. All rather carefully produced parts as well. He identified a niche market and exploited it. This is why SME's are important. Ok the the grinder is a relatively tiny enterprise but it illustrates their importance rather than just trying to attract biggies here. When SME failures were looked at a pundit reckons they were £60b short on funding. Banks have been getting them to overextend and then foreclosing on them.

 

[ajohn]

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They sell all over the place and are extremely convenient.

 

[transam]

Strange how the great and the good are whinging about the World Cup in Quatar due in part on there views on gay relationships / homo phobia ??

But don’t seem that bothered about
The thousands of homo phobic migrants crossing the channel into the UK

Tis a strange world

 

[Pat ex]

Strange how the great and the good are whinging about the World Cup in Quatar due in part on there views on gay relationships / homo phobia ??

But don’t seem that bothered about
The thousands of homo phobic migrants crossing the channel into the UK

Tis a strange world

What makes you think they're homophobic?
They might be escaping homophobia.

 

[Mottie]

Put 17 million or so brexiteers into a room and you'll get 17 million or so answers as to 'their brexit' idea...

But they'll all probably agree on a couple of things...

They don't like foreigners, and they don't care about their children's/grandchildren's life choices!

That would make you a Brexiteer too then!

p.s. You’re still swerving that question I asked you in post #8

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Brexers commonly complain about Brexit.

They didn't agree what sort of Brexit they wanted before the referendum, and they still haven't.
It can't be done.

They only got the vote through by letting all the Brexers think they would get the sort they wanted.

Mottie has agreed he didn't understand or try to understand brexit. He voted for a slogan with no idea of what would be involved. And he wasn't the only 1, just that he is prepared to admit it. Lord Wolfson is obviously another, even though he is described as ....one of the canniest brains in UK business"

if those that wanted brexit didn't understand it then no wonder we are in a mess. Just that Wolfson has realised the impacts and wants to change 1 of its key fearures, the end of free movement and immigration.

 

[ellal]

p.s. You’re still swerving that question I asked you in post #8

I haven't swerved anything...

I believe in freedom of movement in the EU, and hope that the UK will rejoin...

Bringing in the other 'third countries' outside the EU is totally irrelevant, but then that sums you up...

I guess you don't understand that as far as the EU is concerned the UK is now a third country!

And you continue to 'swerve' the question as to why you have chosen to lessen the life choices of your children/grand children...

Why won't you answer that?

And when are you going to tell us of the benefits of brexit?

5 years time?

Or 10 years time?

At some point you're going to have to admit you made a big mistake!

 

[Mottie]

So an 'open door' policy in the U.K. for EU residents is what you’d have. Well I believe in freedom of movement too although unlike you, freedom to work only in so far as for Europeans to fill jobs in the UK that cannot be filled by U.K. workers and as said, with a levy because employers will take advantage of the cheap wages that some Europeans will work for.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I haven't swerved anything...

I believe in freedom of movement in the EU, and hope that the UK will rejoin...

Bringing in the other 'third countries' outside the EU is totally irrelevant, but then that sums you up...

I guess you don't understand that as far as the EU is concerned the UK is now a third country!

And you continue to 'swerve' the question as to why you have chosen to lessen the life choices of your children/grand children...

Why won't you answer that?

And when are you going to tell us of the benefits of brexit?

5 years time?

Or 10 years time?

At some point you're going to have to admit you made a big mistake!

It's either tell us the benefits or admit there aren't any.

5 years down already and nothing yet.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

So an 'open door' policy in the U.K. for EU residents is what you’d have. Well I believe in freedom of movement too although unlike you, freedom to work only in so far as for Europeans to fill jobs in the UK that cannot be filled by U.K. workers and as said, with a levy because employers will take advantage of the cheap wages that some Europeans will work for.

You've never suggested that before.

Jumping on a recent statement as being a good idea? Or just grasping at straws?

I know what I think it is

 

[Mottie]

You've never suggested that before.

Jumping on a recent statement as being a good idea? Or just grasping at straws?

I know what I think it is

You think? And there was me thinking you knew every post I’d made on here off by heart.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You think? And there was me thinking you knew every post I’d made on here off by heart.

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Cant see any of them? Have you suggested this tax on immigrants before ?

 

[Bod ...]

Yes, control it, where it's damaging to society, but let people in who can who can contribute," Lord Wolfson said. He suggested a market-based solution to fix current labour shortages, which have affected sectors including healthcare, hospitality and logistics.
He suggests that businesses who need foreign workers should be able to pay a tax of 10% to the government on foreign workers' salaries to ensure that only the businesses that really couldn't find UK workers would recruit overseas.
"It would automatically mean that businesses never bought someone into the company from outside if they could find someone in the UK," he said. "But if they genuinely can't, they'll pay the premium."

Sounds very sensible.... Yet to those who tar good immigrants with bad immigrants thinks he's going full circle .

If they had listened carefully maybe we would still be in the EU.