Going very deep there DevonBullet. Do you actually live in Devon ? Lovely area. Chill out man. The world can be a very crap place. Ukraine has had it bad aswell.
Zion and the Art of Armageddon
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I posted about reasons of Israeli views with a few links of recent terrorist events. 
I didn't add something concerning Israeli solutions. It's loosely what will the next atrocity be when another group pops up.
Extend that a bit and include the Israeli along with the others and wars the same situation has existed right back to the formation of Palestine / Israel.
There are some Israeli that would agree.
I didn't add something concerning Israeli solutions. It's loosely what will the next atrocity be when another group pops up.Extend that a bit and include the Israeli along with the others and wars the same situation has existed right back to the formation of Palestine / Israel.
There are some Israeli that would agree.
As you said earlier, you are determined not to learn anything,
Always eager to learn every day is a learning day
But
What should one learn from you ??
Perhaps
party members are Hypocrits ?
Fair weather friends ? Up there own back sides ?Some of them
Even support designated terrorist groups / factions
People could learn from you how to avoid answering questions like you do if they are awkward or would show you up for the hypocrite you are.
The International Criminal Court’s (ICJ) January finding of a “plausible genocide” in Gaza, and subsequent ruling that Israel is responsible for an apartheid system in the West Bank and East Jerusalem would not have surprised former Presidents Truman, Eisenhower, Johnson, Carter, or indeed Reagan, who famously denounced Israel’s 1982 levelling of West Beirut to Prime Minister Menachem Begin as a “holocaust”.
Harry S Truman recognised Israel in May 1948, yet once re-elected in November, wrote of his “disgust” over how “the Jews are approaching the refugee problem”. Then his successor, Dwight Eisenhower, joined Winston Churchill, who’d returned as the UK’s prime minister, to censure Israel in the UN Security Council in November 1953.
Paratroopers under Colonel Ariel Sharon, a future Israeli prime minister, had “shot every man, woman and child they could find,” in the Jordanian-controlled West Bank village of Qibya, according to Time magazine, leaving 69 dead. Prime Minister Ben-Gurion cried “anti-Semitism.”
Eisenhower had Israel censured twice more: In March 1955, after a self-described Israeli “terror unit” bombed US consulate libraries in Cairo and Alexandria, seeking to blame Egypt, followed by an attack on Egyptian-controlled Gaza that killed 38; and in March 1956 over a so-called “retaliation” against Syria that killed 56 soldiers and civilians.
“Upward of 2,700 Arab infiltrators, and perhaps as many as 5,000, were killed by the [Israeli military], police, and civilians along Israel’s borders between 1949 and 1956,” writes Israeli historian Benny Morris, “the vast majority of those killed were unarmed.” They were shepherds, farmers, Bedouins, and refugees.
In October 1956, after killing some 49 civilians in the village of Kafir Qasim near Tel Aviv, Israel invaded Egypt and immediately began massacring refugees in Khan Younis and Rafah. Eisenhower responded by declaring that the US would “apply sanctions” on Israel. When Israel still refused to withdraw from Gaza and Sharm El Sheikh, the US president threatened to block its access to US financial markets. The Israeli retreat followed.
In November 1966, Lyndon Johnson once again put “the Palestine Question” on the UN agenda to condemn Israel, this time after a massive attack on Jordan involving more than 3,000 soldiers. “The Israelis have done a great deal of damage to our interests and to their own,” concluded his National Security Adviser W W Rostow, adding that “they’ve wrecked a good system of tacit cooperation.”
All-out war followed in 1967, after which Israel occupied the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem. The martial law imposed on the Arab population in Israel since the founding of the state was lifted in 1966, but Jimmy Carter described the conditions imposed on Palestinians in the occupied Palestinian territory after the beginning of illegal Israeli settlement there as “apartheid”.
With nothing resolved by 1982, Prime Minister Begin, a former Irgun terrorist against British authorities, vowed to “destroy” the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). He oversaw then-Defence Minister Ariel Sharon’s killing of some 18,000 Palestinians and Lebanese, overwhelmingly civilians, in Beirut. Belatedly, Reagan stopped the slaughter with a phone call, given Israel’s dependence. It was then that he described the Israeli onslaught as a “holocaust”.
In 1991, Israeli Prime Minister Itzhak Shamir, who had approved the murder of UN negotiator Folke Bernadotte, tried to explain why terrorism was “acceptable” for Jews, but not Arabs: Palestinians are “fighting for land that is not theirs. This is the land of the people of Israel.”
More is needed from Israel’s patron than mutterings to perhaps halt some arms shipments. Washington should not only stop upholding Israeli brutality, which includes apartheid but, like the UK, it can support the pending International Criminal Court indictments which are to, finally, include an Israeli prime minister.
Past US presidents had tried to reign in Israeli behaviour of the sort that statesman Abba Eban came to describe, during Israel’s previous bombing of Beirut, as “wantonly inflicting every possible measure of death and anguish on civilian populations.” Time is overdue for Washington’s decision makers to follow those presidents’ examples, and to rescind diplomatic protection as well as weapons exports for Israel.
Dereck Leebaert@Al Jazeera
Harry S Truman recognised Israel in May 1948, yet once re-elected in November, wrote of his “disgust” over how “the Jews are approaching the refugee problem”. Then his successor, Dwight Eisenhower, joined Winston Churchill, who’d returned as the UK’s prime minister, to censure Israel in the UN Security Council in November 1953.
Paratroopers under Colonel Ariel Sharon, a future Israeli prime minister, had “shot every man, woman and child they could find,” in the Jordanian-controlled West Bank village of Qibya, according to Time magazine, leaving 69 dead. Prime Minister Ben-Gurion cried “anti-Semitism.”
Eisenhower had Israel censured twice more: In March 1955, after a self-described Israeli “terror unit” bombed US consulate libraries in Cairo and Alexandria, seeking to blame Egypt, followed by an attack on Egyptian-controlled Gaza that killed 38; and in March 1956 over a so-called “retaliation” against Syria that killed 56 soldiers and civilians.
“Upward of 2,700 Arab infiltrators, and perhaps as many as 5,000, were killed by the [Israeli military], police, and civilians along Israel’s borders between 1949 and 1956,” writes Israeli historian Benny Morris, “the vast majority of those killed were unarmed.” They were shepherds, farmers, Bedouins, and refugees.
In October 1956, after killing some 49 civilians in the village of Kafir Qasim near Tel Aviv, Israel invaded Egypt and immediately began massacring refugees in Khan Younis and Rafah. Eisenhower responded by declaring that the US would “apply sanctions” on Israel. When Israel still refused to withdraw from Gaza and Sharm El Sheikh, the US president threatened to block its access to US financial markets. The Israeli retreat followed.
In November 1966, Lyndon Johnson once again put “the Palestine Question” on the UN agenda to condemn Israel, this time after a massive attack on Jordan involving more than 3,000 soldiers. “The Israelis have done a great deal of damage to our interests and to their own,” concluded his National Security Adviser W W Rostow, adding that “they’ve wrecked a good system of tacit cooperation.”
All-out war followed in 1967, after which Israel occupied the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem. The martial law imposed on the Arab population in Israel since the founding of the state was lifted in 1966, but Jimmy Carter described the conditions imposed on Palestinians in the occupied Palestinian territory after the beginning of illegal Israeli settlement there as “apartheid”.
With nothing resolved by 1982, Prime Minister Begin, a former Irgun terrorist against British authorities, vowed to “destroy” the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). He oversaw then-Defence Minister Ariel Sharon’s killing of some 18,000 Palestinians and Lebanese, overwhelmingly civilians, in Beirut. Belatedly, Reagan stopped the slaughter with a phone call, given Israel’s dependence. It was then that he described the Israeli onslaught as a “holocaust”.
In 1991, Israeli Prime Minister Itzhak Shamir, who had approved the murder of UN negotiator Folke Bernadotte, tried to explain why terrorism was “acceptable” for Jews, but not Arabs: Palestinians are “fighting for land that is not theirs. This is the land of the people of Israel.”
More is needed from Israel’s patron than mutterings to perhaps halt some arms shipments. Washington should not only stop upholding Israeli brutality, which includes apartheid but, like the UK, it can support the pending International Criminal Court indictments which are to, finally, include an Israeli prime minister.
Past US presidents had tried to reign in Israeli behaviour of the sort that statesman Abba Eban came to describe, during Israel’s previous bombing of Beirut, as “wantonly inflicting every possible measure of death and anguish on civilian populations.” Time is overdue for Washington’s decision makers to follow those presidents’ examples, and to rescind diplomatic protection as well as weapons exports for Israel.
Dereck Leebaert@Al Jazeera
Atrocities go on in every war. And it's right that Journalists and the media try to report on it. It just seems that the brutality is getting a bit too normalised, with no desire to hold anyone accountable .
Oct 7th was an act of terrorism, it cannot be excused nor justified.
Hamas and Hezbollah are proxies for Iran and Russia
You don’t call Nwgs2 out for being a hypocrite
The geo politics is everything
In very basic terms pretty much all the arab countries in the region surrounding Israel are enemies of the West
Ergo the West are on the side of Israel, as they keep these countries at bay
I can picture a sea change coming, I think Israel has less enemies than you suggest, Iran will fall, if not by Israel's hand then by an overthrow by their own people, that leaves Hamas and Hezbollah out on a limb although both are as good as defeated already.
Whilst Iran will fail, the worrying aspect is Turkey sounds like it's prepared to take on the job of chief rotter.
The Middle East needs re-building in more ways than one, before that can happen there are terrorist organisations and Governments that need to be toppled. The US can't wade in and do that, so their proxy (Israel) has do oblige. It's a ***t job but someone's go to do it.
The sooner this ever expanding war ends the sooner rebuilding and peace talks can begin, but it has to be fought, and Israel has to win.
Of course when all that happens and peace breaks out, it will kick off again between the Sunnis and the Shias.
It's what Arabs do.
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Get a grip Motchy lad
Interesting mention of the General's plan. Seems to be the name given to it and relates to Gaza. Pretty simple. It goes declare the entire north of it as a military area and give time for people to evacuate. Then bomb starve Hamas to the point where it surrenders. As usual forgetting that there are several factions some of which don't get a mention. Actually this seem to be what is going on but smaller areas. Of course the settlers start making noises again while all of this is going on.
Hezbollah has issued warnings to Israeli living near military installations. Copy cats.
A very irate Israeli pundit was interviewed who was defending Israel's collateral damage ratio in Gaza. Best ever thanks to warning people, They don't always but even so just how many Hamas etc have been killed. What exactly were they. Hamas in particular does have a lot of popularity in the area. Generally attacking camps only in both the strip and bank is an interesting feature. All of the people in them wont be Hamas etc fighters. Just what will eventually happen to these refugees? Israel at times has been pretty clear they don't want them. Now?
An edit. Same pundit was faced with the occupied territory laws -whoops. Undeniable by any taking part in any way inc the west.
A very irate Israeli pundit was interviewed who was defending Israel's collateral damage ratio in Gaza. Best ever thanks to warning people, They don't always but even so just how many Hamas etc have been killed. What exactly were they. Hamas in particular does have a lot of popularity in the area. Generally attacking camps only in both the strip and bank is an interesting feature. All of the people in them wont be Hamas etc fighters. Just what will eventually happen to these refugees? Israel at times has been pretty clear they don't want them. Now?
An edit. Same pundit was faced with the occupied territory laws -whoops. Undeniable by any taking part in any way inc the west.
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