Two Tier Keir Strikes Again

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MNW67 said:
Middle class and upwards white men.
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wow.

I don't think anyone I know who works in criminal law would agree.
IT Minion said:

For those who won't read the links: Ethnic minorities appear to get charged and convicted more often for similar crimes and given custodial sentences more frequently, but if convicted their sentence lengths appear to be in line with the norm.
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5% variance basically.

But I certainly wouldn't argue that it's not more pronounced in the US. A big factor is access to good legal representation, rather than Judges/juries being bias.

You have to be super carful with arguments about statistical representation. If people from X background are more likely to be involved in Y crime, for whatever reason. That does not mean we have bias justice.
 
Notch7 said:
would you like me to buy you a calendar?

of course it could happen, it did
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Stop lying your digging bigger holes than nosenought try reading the bond rules . Look pretending you have money will not compensate your small penis complex.
 
blup said:
That would come out in the plea in mitigation or the car itself, plenty of options. Crime gets worse with the economy, look at America. Sentencing guidelines won’t make a jot of difference to overall crime, but Jenny can’t resist diverting attention from ukrane by stirring his favourite pot
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Are you being wilfully ignorant to the fact we are having a biased approach to our sentencing system introduced into this country?
 
IT Minion said:

For those who won't read the links: Ethnic minorities appear to get charged and convicted more often for similar crimes and given custodial sentences more frequently, but if convicted their sentence lengths appear to be in line with the norm.
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That might explain why ethnic background has been introduced as a specific consideration in pre sentencing reports. But it might also be choice of charge by the police/CPS that influences sentence. And the police may be faced with certain offences being carried out disproportionately more by ethnic minorities. Do you solve the problem by arresting fewer people, charging those you do arrest with less serious offences, and sentencing fewer of them to prison for those that are convicted? It seems that crime in society cannot be addressed effectively by tweaking the sentencing system when the underlying causes are more complex.
 
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Are you being wilfully ignorant to the fact we are having a biased approach to our sentencing system introduced into this country?
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Do you prefer the daily fail and bobby j as the arbiters of sentencing@
 
blup said:
Do you prefer the daily fail and bobby j as the arbiters of sentencing@
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I'm not interested in your nonsense. Do you believe some people should not go to prison or receive a shorter sentence due to the colour of their skin or religion?
 
Mottie said:
Show us a screenshot of your alerts then. You should have hundreds of unread ones.
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I actually think he does. I'm pretty sure the last screenshot showed 250+ unread alerts. I only noticed because I thought it was odd.
 
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I'm not interested in your nonsense. Do you believe some people should not go to prison or receive a shorter sentence due to the colour of their skin or religion?
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Pre sentencing reports are just that, they are not sentences. But I wouldn't be surprised if some people got shorter sentences, lesser charges or are not charged at all where they have been the subject for example of a racially motivated or religious attack. That applies to white people, where they have killed intruders in their home. In the past they were charged with murder or manslaughter, the practice now is not to prosecute.

Many young men from ethnic minority groups are radicalised in prison, that concerns me far more than Jenny's pathetic attempts to bolster his cv and pursue his re form agenda.
 
Why does gas112 have a particular interest in penis size?
 
. said:
A Pre-sentence report pilot scheme operated in 15 magistrates’ courts started in 2021:

'The pilot launched on 22 March 2021 and was rolled out across 15 magistrates’ courts in 4 phases over 8 weeks.'

And was launched as a result from a Sentencing White Paper published in September 2020.

www.gov.uk

Pre-sentence report pilot in 15 magistrates’ courts

Information about the pre-sentence report pilot in 15 magistrates’ courts.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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Looking at the 'Overarching Equalities Statement' from the Sentencing White Paper, it looks as though this was in response to the Lammy Review:

'Where relevant to the White Paper proposals our equalities considerations have included the recommendations from the Lammy Review to ‘explain or reform’ any disparity in outcomes for BAME users of the Criminal Justice System.'

www.gov.uk

A Smarter Approach to Sentencing

This White Paper sets out the government’s proposals for important changes to the sentencing and release framework in England and Wales.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
 
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