Two Tier Keir Strikes Again

[Deleted member 265726]

I would imagine that the government legislation, properly drafted by government lawyers, will do a much more effective job than whatever Jenrick has cobbled together.

If indeed legislation is drafted. I mean, she is saying she will legislate if needs be but is she really invested in doing so... time will tell.

 

[securespark]

You just like arguing for arguments sake. Don't be a coward mate, if you don't like what the Telegraph or Robert Jenrick said, get yourself on X and post your ramblings on there to them directly.

Arguing for argument's sake?

So if I repeat a load of rubbish, you won't call me out on it?

Course you fukin will, and so did he when you did it.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

Arguing for argument's sake?

So if I repeat a load of rubbish, you won't call me out on it?

Course you fukin will, and so did he when you did it.

Right. So you've resurrected a post addressed to another poster, not yourself, from the 6th March, a week ago, which has nothing to do with you nor anything to do with the topic. I'm not going to bother with you mate, you're trying to cause unnecessary trouble.

 

[securespark]

Right. So you've resurrected a post addressed to another poster, not yourself, from the 6th March, a week ago, which has nothing to do with you nor anything to do with the topic. I'm not going to bother with you mate, you're trying to cause unnecessary trouble.

You're always doing that. You answer posts I make to other people. Why can't I?

What you are saying is that you can't have a proper discussion about people calling you out for repeating rubbish.

You just get annoyed and label those people troublemakers.

As for not bothering with me, well, I consider myself a fairly easy-going guy who likes to get on with everyone.
But that's your choice.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

You're always doing that. You answer posts I make to other people. Why can't I?

What you are saying is that you can't have a proper discussion about people calling you out for repeating rubbish.

You just get annoyed and label those people troublemakers.

As for not bothering with me, well, I consider myself a fairly easy-going guy who likes to get on with everyone.
But that's your choice.

You are trolling. Either stick to the topic of this thread or disappear.

 

[motorbiking]

Looks like the government want to sweep it under the rug and pretend WOKE ism, hasn't just infiltrated criminal justice.

 

[securespark]

You are trolling. Either stick to the topic of this thread or disappear.

I'm trolling now?

That's a first!

In all the years I have been here, that is literally a first!

All I did was call you out for repeating rubbish!

If you can't cope with that, you have the wrong forum.

You're not even sticking to the topic of the thread, as this is nowt to do with Starmer.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

Looks like the government want to sweep it under the rug and pretend WOKE ism, hasn't just infiltrated criminal justice.

This sentencing guidance will be activated on April 1st and so far I cannot see real intervention in terms of action from Shabana Mahmood which backs up her verbal stance. There are 19 days left. The clock is ticking.

 

[MNW67]

This sentencing guidance will be activated on April 1st and so far I cannot see real intervention in terms of action from Shabana Mahmood which backs up her verbal stance. There are 19 days left. The clock is ticking.

The plan seems to be to meet the the judges this week in a final attempt to get them to back down. If not, the government will legislate. That is how I interpreted it, anyway. They seem to have been blindsided a bit by inheriting a policy signed off by the previous lot.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

The plan seems to be to meet the the judges this week in a final attempt to get them to back down. If not, the government will legislate. That is how I interpreted it, anyway. They seem to have been blindsided a bit by inheriting a policy signed off by the previous lot.

The problem is that she and the government need to change the law in order to stop these guidelines going live, as I understand it. With only 19 days to go, is that even a possibility? If she does indeed decide to legislate I feel it may be after the fact. Perhaps they will repeal it once it comes into force.

 

[MNW67]

The problem is that she and the government need to change the law in order to stop these guidelines going live, as I understand it. With only 19 days to go, is that even a possibility? If she does indeed decide to legislate I feel it may be after the fact. Perhaps they will repeal it once it comes into force.

Mahmood is meeting Sir Bill today.

There is always the chance that we may end up with some fudge instead!

 

[Deleted member 265726]

Mahmood is meeting Sir Bill today.

There is always the chance that we may end up with some fudge instead!

Sentencing Council to review 'two-tier' justice objections

New guidance issued to judges created a stand-off between the independent Sentencing Council and MoJ.

www.bbc.co.uk

'On Thursday, the Sentencing Council - which is independent but sponsored by the government - said it would look at her objections in detail, but did not commit to reversing course immediately.

A Ministry of Justice spokesperson said the justice secretary held a "constructive meeting" with Sentencing Council leaders on Thursday, after which Mahmood said she would "set out her position more fully" in a letter.

The sentencing council agreed to "consider" the letter "before the guideline is due to come into effect" from April.

A review of the council's role and powers is set to take place alongside the existing review into sentencing being led by former Tory minister David Gauke.'

 

[Deleted member 265726]

18 days to go until being a white heterosexual or homosexual male will see you sentenced differently for committing a crime in the UK in comparison to an ethnic heterosexual or homosexual male or female.

 

[MNW67]

'On Thursday, the Sentencing Council - which is independent but sponsored by the government - said it would look at her objections in detail, but did not commit to reversing course immediately.

Get ready for fudge! Better than one side having to swallow humble pie.

 

[IT Minion]

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'The research used by the Sentencing Council to justify its proposed “two-tier” justice rules stops short of saying that ethnicity has a significant impact on sentencing outcomes.

The analysis also failed to account for major differences in the types of crimes committed by different ethnicities, which has a significant impact on overall sentencing outcomes. In large part, this comes down to the acknowledged weakness of the analysis.

The difference in the proportion of offenders receiving a community order, however, was found to have grown – amounting to 15 per cent for black offenders in 2018 compared to 19 per cent for white offenders.

However, this resulting “slightly widening gap” was not taken to constitute “evidence of a disparity in outcomes” because of both the imbalance in the numbers sentenced – 13,800 black offenders and 109,500 white offenders in 2019 – and the mix in the severity of the cases they were tried for.

The review said black offenders were far more likely to be sentenced for drug offences, with 39 per cent of them punished for such crimes in 2019, compared with 16 per cent of white offenders.

In contrast, that same year, 33 per cent of white offenders were sentenced for theft, compared with 17 per cent of black offenders.

While black people account for just 4.9 per cent of offenders in magistrates’ courts, they make up 9.5 per cent of offenders in crown courts.

This, in part, explains why community sentence rates are lower for black people, because the crimes they are punished for in crown courts are less likely to have lenient outcomes.

By 2023, examining solely community sentence rates in “either-way” cases in magistrates’ courts, which could have potentially gone to crown court, the gap was just 25.1 per cent for black offenders and 26.7 per cent for white offenders, Telegraph analysis of Ministry of Justice data shows.'

Isnt that the Telegraph getting confused? Using the same source MBK linked to rather than the Lammy review which was more detailed and the actual cause of these changes?