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What vehicle(s) do you drive on a regular basis?

johnny2007 said:
You ARE saving the planet!
By keeping the same cars on the road for 60+ years combined, you've avoided all pollution caused by production.
In the same time most people (who think they're green) have changed 10 cars if not more.
So, well done!

Don't let any of the eco-terrorists tell you otherwise, they're all thickos.
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Agree 100%. And who would want to drive one of the lookalike ridiculously over complex, fragile engined, plasticy bland boxes they churn out these days? Where you need to take it to be bent over by a dealer to reprogramme some module or other just because you emptied the ashtray?
 
Harry Bloomfield said:
Good for you!

I can quite easily, go out and buy myself a brand-new EV, pay cash, and be on my way, but why? I run a big, very comfortable, and very economic top of the range, Rover 75 diesel. I've had it 16/17 years, it has never let me down,
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Yes, same here. Could throw away cash on a brand new one - but won't ever. My van's never left me stranded nor failed an MOT - and I've had it 18 years this autumn. Drove it to Poland/CZ for 2 months late '21 and been doing regular trips across Channel since then. OK, it needs a little more maintenance now than when it was in it's youth - but the cost is small beer compared to the tens of thousands I would have flushed away regularly buying new vehicles.
 
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I should be picking up our new hybrid car in less than a week. That’s my bit towards saving the planet…..
 
johnny2007 said:
You ARE saving the planet!
By keeping the same cars on the road for 60+ years combined, you've avoided all pollution caused by production.
In the same time most people (who think they're green) have changed 10 cars if not more.
So, well done!

Don't let any of the eco-terrorists tell you otherwise, they're all thickos.
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...unless you drive it, of course... ;) So long as you don't drive it though, it's definitely a lot better for the planet...
 
Harry Bloomfield said:
Good for you!

I can quite easily, go out and buy myself a brand-new EV, pay cash, and be on my way, but why? I run a big, very comfortable, and very economic top of the range, Rover 75 diesel. I've had it 16/17 years, it has never let me down, and tows my tourer caravan effortlessly. I wouldn't get far towing with an EV, even if it were legal to do so. On the sites I visit, there are simply no facilities to recharge EV's. My running costs are inexpensive, my insurance cheap, only the tax makes it expensive.

I don't make a lot of use of it, rather locally, I try to maximise use of buses, and my EV mobility scooter. When tested for smoke, come MOT time, it registers none, clean as a whistle. The way I use it, it rarely sees any congestion, mostly, it cruises effortlessly in 5th, barely ticking over, even towing.

Scraping perfectly good cars, means lots of energy in recycling. Building a replacement EV, involves a great deal more energy, and material used in the making - how is that helping save the planet?
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Because less comes out of the tailpipe?

...but you knew that, of course...;)
 
Avocet said:
...unless you drive it, of course... ;) So long as you don't drive it though, it's definitely a lot better for the planet...
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Even if you drive it.
Or are you saying that 2 people driving the same miles per year, one changing vehicle every 3/4 years and the other keeping the vehicle 3 decades pollute equally?
Even if the one changing vehicle every 3/4 years uses milk floats...
Look at the bigger picture, not just the exhaust pipe.
 
Avocet said:
Because less comes out of the tailpipe?

...but you knew that, of course...;)
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Nonsense - simply building a car, causes a terrific amount of emissions, building, installing, maintaining the solar cells, wind generators, is a source of massive emissions. When comparing these things, you have to weigh up the entire picture, not just the end result.
 
johnny2007 said:
Even if you drive it.
Or are you saying that 2 people driving the same miles per year, one changing vehicle every 3/4 years and the other keeping the vehicle 3 decades pollute equally?
Even if the one changing vehicle every 3/4 years uses milk floats...
Look at the bigger picture, not just the exhaust pipe.
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You are, of course, assuming that the previous owner scraps his vehicle every three or 4 years, aren't you? :rolleyes: The "changing vehicles" is a complete red herring. It doesn't matter whether it is owned and driven by Joe Bloggs, and then he sells it to his brother Fred. It still gets used and its "in-use" emissions will be pretty much the same per mile driven regardless who uses it, until it is scrapped. That goes for ICEs and EVs.

I think, maybe, it's YOU who needs to look at the bigger picture?;)

Tell me what you're driving at present, if you like, and I'll put some numbers on it for you, compared to an equivalent EV. (You won't like the answer though...):giggle:
 
Harry Bloomfield said:
Nonsense - simply building a car, causes a terrific amount of emissions, building, installing, maintaining the solar cells, wind generators, is a source of massive emissions. When comparing these things, you have to weigh up the entire picture, not just the end result.
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Brilliant! I'd never thought of that...:rolleyes:

Perhaps you need to think about the entire picture too though, not just manufacturing emissions...?;)

Same offer as I just made to Johnny, if you like? Give me the exact model and annual mileage, and I can do the sums for you. They're not hard...
 
Now you all see why I said 'I'm done' at the conclusion of my text ;)

Same old, same old ..
 
Avocet said:
You are, of course, assuming that the previous owner scraps his vehicle every three or 4 years, aren't you? :rolleyes: The "changing vehicles" is a complete red herring. It doesn't matter whether it is owned and driven by Joe Bloggs, and then he sells it to his brother Fred. It still gets used and its "in-use" emissions will be pretty much the same per mile driven regardless who uses it, until it is scrapped. That goes for ICEs and EVs.

I think, maybe, it's YOU who needs to look at the bigger picture?;)

Tell me what you're driving at present, if you like, and I'll put some numbers on it for you, compared to an equivalent EV. (You won't like the answer though...):giggle:
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Cars are built everyday at a massive rate, mainly because people don't keep vehicles for as long as they used to.
It is very much in fashion now to lease cars and change them every 3 years, otherwise how could any working class man afford a Tesla???

For your info, I drive a 21 year old focus 1.6 petrol.
I never kept any car for less than 10 years.
Let's see how you bend maths in your world...
 
johnny2007 said:
Cars are built everyday at a massive rate, mainly because people don't keep vehicles for as long as they used to.
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That's a very western-centric view.


I suspect it is just as much because:
- the major manufacturers have invested so many billions into production
- oil companies have done the same re: extraction of fossil fuels
- all of the direct and ancillary employment (re: tax revenues) that the above brings
- governments want to keep this income stream going
- increasing wealth allowing millions more customers each year to afford a car
 
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