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What vehicle(s) do you drive on a regular basis?

ReganAndCarter said:
Don't people choose to make their lives uber complicated and expensive?

I just shove 20 quids' worth of diesel in the tank once a week. :cool::ROFLMAO:
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So you have around half a tank at all times I guess ?

Doesn't actually mean you will have enough to set off on an unexpected long journey without fuel stop ?
 
ReganAndCarter said:
Yes, all of 5 mins to top up on the way out of Asda after doing some shopping.
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Never encounter any queues for the pumps?
Never encounter any pumps out of order, or out of fuel?
Never encounter the fuel station closed due to lack of fuel etc ?

And yes, of course, you can just drive onto the next 1, but these issues exist. And from experience (especially at peak times, friday evening after shopping), if 1 station has queues and/or issues then all the other local ones will have too.

And yes, you could give up, and top up the next day instead.
 
carmanmemoranda said:
Never encounter any queues for the pumps?
Never encounter any pumps out of order, or out of fuel?
Never encounter the fuel station closed due to lack of fuel etc ?
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Very rarely to all of the above. Never have to wait at Asda - always straight in - refuel - gone in 5 mins. No faffing with cables. No faffing with apps. No waiting around drinking coffee for an hour.

Conversely I'm always hearing about public chargers not working. Or all taken with people charging or those whose cars are now charged but they're waiting for their owners to collect them. There's the McDonalds near the M5 junction where the chargers seem to be all permanently taken by British Gas and Openreach vans.

Then there's the burke who lives next door to my Dad's rental flat, but had no home charger - so he thought it OK to park his car on my father's forecourt so he could get his cable to stretch through his lounge window. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Then there's the mate who went caravanning with his EV and found that many charger bays aren't accessible with the caravan attached - so had to unhitch it to get into a bay. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: He sold his EV tout suite at a big loss. Caravan also had a big impact on range.

ICEs aren't perfect. However the potential and real monumental ball aches of EV ownership are all too evident. Like some form of masochism. :eek:
 
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ReganAndCarter said:
Very rarely to all of the above. Never have to wait at Asda - always straight in - refuel - gone in 5 mins. No faffing with cables. No faffing with apps. No waiting around drinking coffee for an hour.
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Even in the most isolated rural areas, I don't think you'll find many EV drivers who need to make a charging stop on a trip to Asda...:rolleyes:

ReganAndCarter said:
Conversely I'm always hearing about public chargers not working. Or all taken with people charging or those whose cars are now charged but they're waiting for their owners to collect them. There's the McDonalds near the M5 junction where the chargers seem to be all permanently taken by British Gas and Openreach vans.
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Well you're always hearing about how it's not the problem it's made out to be - not least from me, and others on this forum, but you seem to only want to hear a particular type of response...

ReganAndCarter said:
Then there's the burke who lives next door to my Dad's rental flat, but had no home charger - so he thought it OK to park his car on my father's forecourt so he could get his cable to stretch through his lounge window. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Fair point actually. I guess you can chalk that us as another advantage of ICEs - nobody is going to be able to refuel their ICE on your drive. In fact... come to think of it... nobody is going to be able to refuel an CE on anyone's drive...

...because you can't!:ROFLMAO:

ReganAndCarter said:
Then there's the mate who went caravanning with his EV and found that many charger bays aren't accessible with the caravan attached - so had to unhitch it to get into a bay. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: He sold his EV tout suite at a big loss.
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Obviously didn't do all that complicated planning that EV drivers supposedly have to do...

...like looking at a few EV charging bays before he bought one!:rolleyes:

ReganAndCarter said:
ICEs aren't perfect. However the potential and real monumental ball aches of EV ownership are all too evident. Like some form of masochism. :eek:
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Yeah... they're definitely not for everyone... especially if you can't cope with technology or change...;)
 
Heard on the radio this morning there is an issue with "carspreading" in that cars are getting wider and taller each year and there are calls to charge these cars more to park. They are getting wider and taller to accommodate the batteries - and now they will soon be finding themselves paying more to park. Also the style of big tall fronts means its more likely that a pedestrian when hit will end up under the car. Hows that for efficiency - probably kills more pedestrians than noxious gas from an ICE.
 
ReganAndCarter said:
Conversely I'm always hearing about public chargers not working. Or all taken with people charging or those whose cars are now charged but they're waiting for their owners to collect them. There's the McDonalds near the M5 junction where the chargers seem to be all permanently taken by British Gas and Openreach vans.
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We have four public chargers in the village, at a retail park. Only rarely do I see EV's being charged there, almost always the four are occupied, usually be EV's simply parked in the four.
 
ReganAndCarter said:
ICEs aren't perfect. However the potential and real monumental ball aches of EV ownership are all too evident. Like some form of masochism. :eek:
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If you repeatedly bang your head on the wall, and find it hurts - most sensible people stop doing it. If you are an EV owner, you need to justify your investment - so you keep on banging your head against the wall.
 
aveatry said:
Heard on the radio this morning there is an issue with "carspreading" in that cars are getting wider and taller each year and there are calls to charge these cars more to park. They are getting wider and taller to accommodate the batteries - and now they will soon be finding themselves paying more to park. Also the style of big tall fronts means its more likely that a pedestrian when hit will end up under the car. Hows that for efficiency - probably kills more pedestrians than noxious gas from an ICE.
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I doubt they'll become widespread, if they become a thing at all.

And, even if they do, all that will happen is the berks who currently park across two bays - to protect their Beemer or Audi, usually - will use them.

You'll just see 1 series and A3s, and A180s in them; I would put money on it.
 
aveatry said:
Heard on the radio this morning there is an issue with "carspreading" in that cars are getting wider and taller each year and there are calls to charge these cars more to park. They are getting wider and taller to accommodate the batteries - and now they will soon be finding themselves paying more to park. Also the style of big tall fronts means its more likely that a pedestrian when hit will end up under the car. Hows that for efficiency - probably kills more pedestrians than noxious gas from an ICE.
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Er... no. Absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with EVs. It's been going on for longer than the current crop of EVs has been around. Here's my old 1980s ICE. It was a good-sized family saloon in its day - BMW 5-Series sized. It's parked next to a Nissan Note and a Hyundai Tucson. As you can see, all three of them are ICEs and it's just tiny. At the lights, I find myself looking UP at current Mini drivers!

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The increases in width, have largely been driven by:

(a) side impact regulations - deeper doors, larger side impact bars, and sufficient deployment space for curtain airbags;
(b) customer demand to be able to fit three child seats abreast in the back seat.

Increases in height also have stuff-all to do with being an EV. I'm in a BMW i4. It's exactly the same height as any other 4-door ICE BMW 4-Series. People just love SUVs, because they like the high-up driving position and "roughty toughty" looks for the urban jungle... :rolleyes:

About 400 pedestrian fatalities in the UK each year, compared to between 30,000 and 40,000 premature deaths due to poor air quality...
 
Harry Bloomfield said:
If you repeatedly bang your head on the wall, and find it hurts - most sensible people stop doing it. If you are an EV owner, you need to justify your investment - so you keep on banging your head against the wall.
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And, it seems, if you're a "certain kind" of ICE owner, you get totally triggered by the slightest mention of EVs, and feel the need to wade in with some random FUD or other anti-EV propaganda, without troubling yourself as to whether it's true or not...;)
 
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