Reform will stop the small boats within two weeks ...

[denso13]

Hence the fact that there needs to be a much more robust process for them when you get them when they arrive.

No, we need to stop them arriving in the first place. Once they are here is too late.

 

[denso13]

Assuming UK is in the international convention against torture (I don't know) Nigel hasn't said he's going to leave it.

But he has.

If we leave the ECHR it doesn't mean we must send anybody anywhere

But Farage has said he will send them all back, hence the proposals for Taliban discussions.

The gammons have fallen for him hook, line and sinker and don't even know his plans.

 

[aveatry]

Almost every nation that invaded us by boat succeeded. Romans, Saxons, Angles, Vikings, Normans

Yes but we didn’t actually help them come and rape and pillage by meeting them half way to give them a lift did we.

 

[denso13]

Yes but we didn’t actually help them come and rape and pillage by meeting them half way to give them a lift did we.

We don't do that either.

 

[fixitflav]

But he has.

But Farage has said he will send them all back, hence the proposals for Taliban discussions.

The gammons have fallen for him hook, line and sinker and don't even know his plans.

Yeah, I remember now. I doubt he'd do it, but most people are so desperate with the other parties' failure he gets away with it.

 

[fixitflav]

We don't do that either.

Don't we? May not exactly half way, but what are the RNLI doing?

 

[denso13]

Don't we? May not exactly half way, but what are the RNLI doing?

Picking them up in British waters., when they are already in Britain.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

The truth could be that the methods required to deal with the small boats , may not be acceptable in a democracy.

Of course now that Nigel Farage has told the world that the UK is the new North Korea,maybe this method may be more ecceptable.

This is a very valid point.

In theory, it's relatively easy to physically stop the small boats at sea. Heck, we could even elect not to pick any of the boat people up, accepting whatever consequence that would mean for those on board.

If we did this, and stuck with it, it's safe to assume the small boats would stop within a relatively quick timeframe.

However, let's say the government decided to do this, whether it was or wasn't deemed legal. Let's say they decided to bash on, accepting whatever the legal consequence would be from UK and international quarters.

I suspect this is where it probably wouldn't happen, because those tasked with stopping the boats and not helping those on board would most likely, and understandably, say 'nah, not doing that.'

I like to think, if government ever proposed anything that crossed a line into unacceptability from the viewpoint of most Brits, that the masses would ensure it didn't happen. This links in with us being a democratic country.

I for one want the small boat crisis stopped. However I would never support a strategy of literally stopping the boats and pushing them back, with no regard for the safety of those on board,

 

[ReganAndCarter]

... of gaining power, so Farage has announced at his conference speech today.

I'm not posting this for any other reason other than to say I sincerely doubt it.

Hmm. Trump said he would stop the war in 24 hours.

What I really want a politician to address, or at least mention, is the far larger problem of legal migration. The boats are a highly visible reminder of Tory and Labour broken promises and failed, half-hearted policies. Plus endless lies. But the boats are a drop in the ocean compared to the ones being waved through the back door.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Hmm. Trump said he would stop the war in 24 hours.

What I really want a politician to address, or at least mention, is the far larger problem of legal migration. The boats are a highly visible reminder of Tory and Labour broken promises and failed, half-hearted policies. But the boats are a drop in the ocean compared to the ones being waved through the back door.

I don't disagree, however it's the optics of the small boats that isn't doing government any favours and is feeding the Reform narrative. And of course the migrant hotel situation.

On Newsnight last night they were talking about immigration, the talking heads were asserting that if government can further decrease net migration to a reasonable number, this could largely take the wind out of Reform's sails.

tbh I'm not sure it would, however that was the assertion.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Some things about Reform/Farage are a bit worrying. At a time when we are in all but name bankrupt with spiralling debt and welfare costs - he wants to expand the welfare payment. Scrapping the two child cap on child benefits. Can't work out why - especially when it won't be a boost for most white indigenous families. Yet other types of families will win big.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

I don't disagree, however it's the optics of the small boats that isn't doing government any favours and is feeding the Reform narrative. And of course the migrant hotel situation.

On Newsnight last night they were talking about immigration, the talking heads were asserting that if government can further decrease net migration to a reasonable number, this could largely take the wind out of Reform's sails.

tbh I'm not sure it would, however that was the assertion.

I believe there are other reasons and forces driving mass migration. Whoever is lending us billions to try to keep afloat has the real power. Also we now have a muslim home secretary. Like putting the fox in charge of the hen house.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Some things about Reform/Farage are a bit worrying. At a time when we are in all but name bankrupt with spiralling debt and welfare costs - he wants to expand the welfare payment. Scrapping the two child cap on child benefits. Can't work out why - especially when it won't be a boost for most white indigenous families. Yet other types of families will win big.

Migration aside, as they come under increasing scrutiny re their other policies and the funding/delivery of, weaknesses will be exposed.

I have to admit, when I see the cast they're building, it doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. Ok we can say 'yeah but they can't do any worse than the established parties' tbh I'm not so sure.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

, and he tells people that some of those asylum seekers will be sent back to be tortured and executed, then more moderate voters will quickly switch back to other parties.

'Asylum seekers'?

Are the French sharpening their guillotines?

 

[blup]

The truth could be that the methods required to deal with the small boats , may not be acceptable in a democracy.

People will always seek to come here by illicit means, and will find other ways just as they did when the lorry security was stepped up. But Nige judges very well the mood what people will swallow.