Zion and the Art of Armageddon

[Highway Man]

You brought it on with your denial and excusing of child deaths by Israel and the IDF.
You should take some of the responsibility for that.
I have little respect for you either, so your opinion of me is of no consequence.

I hope those images have shocked you into recognising the atrocities perpetrated by IDF, on the orders of Israel.
And I trust you will now accept that Israel and the IDF are indeed targeting and killing innocent young children.


Check the thread title.
But you want to divert attention away from those images by any means possible.
What a surprise.

You are bringing nothing to the table with those images of mothers holding babies that have clearly been killed through airr strikes and not IDF snipers. You are showing pictures of grieving mothers and fathers and of dying children. Why would you think that a good idea on a DIY forum. We all know the horrors without you adding to it.

 

[JohnD]

Toddlers shot in the head by snipers. Maybe they looked older, maybe not.

Highwayman hopes to make an excuse for the IDF murdering toddlers, by trying to suggest they were young adults carrying automatic weapons.

Is there no end to his dishonesty?

 

[Knave of Hearts]

You are bringing nothing to the table with those images of mothers holding babies that have clearly been killed through airr strikes and not IDF snipers.

Don't get so fixated on killings by sniper, many are by IDF tank and other fire.
But I can understand you wanting to divert the discussion into one about the method of how genocide is being achieved.
Let's just stick with war crimes.
Every single one of them, sniper, tank commander, helicopter gun ship, drone operator has the capacity to say "NO!, I will not intentionally target civilians!"
It's been your tactic all along to deny, excuse or divert the discussion about Armageddon by Zionists. (Check the title of the thread)

Look deeper into the titles of the images and think about the story behind those images.

Some of them predate the 7th October 2023

GAZA CITY, GAZA - MAY 15: The mother of eight-month-old Leila Anwar Ghandoor, who died in the hospital on Tuesday morning from tear gas inhalation, hugs her daughter a last time as she is prepared for burial on May 15, 2018 in Gaza City, Gaza.

A picture shows the body of a Palestinian girl found in the rubble of her destroyed house following an Israeli air strike on a three-storey house belonging to a Hamas member in the eastern Gaza City neighborhood of Zeitun on January 6, 2009. About 30 people were inside the house when it was destroyed by the air raid,

KHAN YOUNIS, GAZA STRIP, PALESTINE - 2018/10/29: The three children's dead bodies seen surrounded by mourners during their funeral after an Israeli shelling took their life near the Gaza-Israel border in Gaza.

MIDEAST-PALESTINIAN-ISRAEL-FUNERAL​

The mother of Palestinian boy Hussein Abdel Mettuwi cries over his body in the Gaza Strip refugee camp of Murghraqa before the funeral 12 June 2002. The eight-year-old boy was shot in the stomach by Israeli soldiers near his home in Gaza City yesterday

Relatives of the Palestinian girl Lian al-Shaer, 10, mourn...​

GAZA, PALESTINE - 2022/08/11: Relatives of the Palestinian girl Lian al-Shaer, 10, mourn during her funeral ceremony in Khan Yunis in the southern Gaza Strip, Lian died of her injuries sustained during the violence between Israel and Islamic Jihad.

Palestinians surround the corpses of a toddler and other children, killed in a reported Israeli air strike, before their burial in Beit Lahya in the northern Gaza Strip, on May 14, 2021. - Israel pounded Gaza and deployed extra troops to the border

Check the dates of the images. you'll find that some are dated in October 2023, shortly after the incursion by Hamas.
And they are entitled as victims of Air Strikes.

Aftermath of Israeli airstrikes on Gaza​

10 October 2023

Others are described as victims of the aid embargo.
Babies dying due the embargo.

4-month-old Alaa baby died after her treatment was delayed due to the closure of border crossings in Gaza​

15 January, 2025
Died of hunger due to the prevention of food aid.

Emaciated Palestinian child dies of severe hunger in Gaza amid Israeli siege, blockade​

RAFAH, GAZA - MARCH 04 2024 Morgue attendants wash the dead body of 10-year-old Palestinian child Yazan al-Kafarneh, who died from severe hunger amid famine due to Israel's ongoing crippling siege on the Gaza Strip,

KHAN YUNIS, GAZA - AUGUST 7: (EDITOR'S NOTE: Image depicts death) Body of two-year-old Rua Amin Mashi, who died of malnutrition, is brought to Nasser Hospital for funeral arrangements in Khan Yunis, Gaza on August 7, 2025.

Medical workers killed.

Israeli attacks on Gaza continue​

KHAN YUNIS, GAZA - JUlY 5: Bodies of doctor Naji Hafaje and 3 sons killed in Israeli attacks on Khan Yunis, are brought to al Nasser Hospital for funeral in Gaza on July 05, 2025

Innocent civilians waiting for aid

Mourners-Grieve-Gaza-Aid-and-Shelter-Victims​

Palestinians mourn over the bodies of victims killed in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip on July 31, 2025. Eighteen people were killed while waiting for humanitarian aid at a US aid distribution point in the Morag area of Rafah, according to local health officials

IDF shelling in January 2025

GAZA CITY, GAZA - JANUARY 27: (EDITORS NOTE: Image depicts death) Mother of 5-year-old girl, Neda Muhammed al-Amudi, who was killed in the Israeli army's attack targeting a horse carriage in Nusairat Refugee Camp, violating the ceasefire, mourns over her body at Awda Hospital in Gaza City, Gaza on January 27, 2025

Israel breaking the ceasefire.

Israel attacks on Gaza, breaking ceasefire: 35 dead​

BEIT LAHIA, GAZA - MARCH 20: (EDITOR'S NOTE: Image depicts death) Bodies of Palestinians, who lost their life following the Israeli attack, are brought to Indonesian Hospital in Beit Lahia, Gaza on March 20, 2025

More killing at water distribution points

Israel attacks water refill point in 'New Camp' area: 10 dead, 17 injured​

GAZA CITY, GAZA - JULY 13: Palestinians receive medical treatment at Al Awda Hospital after the Israeli attack that hit a water refill point belonging to displaced Palestinians in the "New Camp" area northwest of Nuseirat Camp, killing 10 people, including 6 children, in Gaza City, Gaza on July 13, 2025

A boy kisses the body of a victim who was killed during overnight Israeli bombardment as it is cradled by a woman with other mourners at al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City on June 4, 2025.

And this is OK, in your opinion because it was an Air Strike?

Dead children bodies are brought to the Al Aqsa Martyrs Hospital to be wrapped in a shroud after the Israeli airstrikes at the Al Bureij Refugee Camp, in Deir al-Balah, Gaza on October 24, 2023.

Attacking a some women and children following the dead body of their relative.

Palestinians mourn over the dead bodies of their beloved ones after Israeli attacks hit Maghazi Camp area following dead body of their relatives was brought to the morgue of the Shuhada al-Aqsa Hospital in Deir Al Balah, Gaza on May 11, 2024. It was reported that 21 people, including children and babies,

GAZA CITY, GAZA - AUGUST 24: 2025 Citizens and relatives of the Palestinians, including children, who died as a result of Israeli attacks on different parts of Gaza City,

KHAN YUNIS, GAZA - JULY 20: Bodies of Palestinians are brought to Nasser Hospital for funeral procedures after Israeli attack on tents sheltering displaced civilians in Khan Yunis, Gaza on July 20, 2025

Please let's not get lost in the methods of achieving genocide.
For the genocidal Israeli occupation of Gaza, "the end justifies the means".

If you can't bear to look at the details, I can understand that. It is so hard to witness.

.ou are showing pictures of grieving mothers and fathers and of dying children. Why would you think that a good idea on a DIY forum.

I decided it was:
a) important to prove to you that the killing of children by the IDF were without doubt children despite your misplaced scepticism.
Objective fully achieved.
b) that the IDF are indeed targeting and killing children (about 40,000 so far) equal to the highest estimate of the number of Hama operatives before the escalation of the current conflict
IMO well and truly achieved, despite your ongoing excusal of Israeli genocidal actions.
c) That the conflict was ongoing prior to the Hamas incursion in October 2023, when children wee being targeted and killed by the IDF.

We all know the horrors without you adding to it.

Yet you continue to ignore or excuse the overwhelming evidence of war crimes, genocide and ethnic cleansing.

I don't know about you, but I can't get those images out of my head, since early this morning.
And you dare to impugn my morality while you continue to deny, excuse and attempt to divert from those atrocities?

I urge anyone who chooses to look at those images to:
1. prepare yourself for some extremely distressing images and details,
2. To look deeper into the stories behind those images, and think about the context of the killings,
3. accept that it will affect you for hour, days, or even weeks.

My ap[ologies for the number of quotes, they are from descriptions of the images.
No sane person could possibly examine all those images, descriptions and back stories without being seriously affected.

My thanks must go to HighwayMan for motivating me to search for the evidence presented. without his scepticism, i wouldn't have done so.
But it has affected me. I am even more convinced of the cruel genocidal intent of Israel and the IDF.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

Highwayman hopes to make an excuse for the IDF murdering toddlers, by trying to suggest they were young adults carrying automatic weapons.

Is there no end to his dishonesty?

It's a shame that he's unable to change the light bulb, and shine a light on the truth.
But if he's eyes are closed. it would do him no good. He'd still be fumbling n the dark

And let's not forget the number of seriously injured children with lifelong injuries and the amputees, many without anesthetic.

Edit:
In the website that I linked to, most of the images, dates, backstories on page 4 predate the October incursion by Hamas
so let's not pretend the conflict began in October 2023.

 

[Highway Man]

Highwayman hopes to make an excuse for the IDF murdering toddlers, by trying to suggest they were young adults carrying automatic weapons.

Is there no end to his dishonesty?

That simply is not true, what reason have I to make an excuse for the IDF? I am not a jew nor have I any jewish connections. I am simply voicing my own opinions and putting a different view accross to this conflict based on my own knowledge and experience. I am not suggesting that the IDF are all saints, I am pointing out that they are following orders and doing a job that they are paid to do. Snipers shooting children is not sitting true with me, soldiers targeting children does not sit right with me, I couldn't do it and I do not know anyone who would or could do it either. 10 years in the army tells me there is another side to this story that is different to what the media are showing and. at the moment that media is mainly controlled by what hamas is putting out. You might trust what you are hearing and seeing as fact, I am not. I accept that Israel is now stepping over the line of human decency with regards to the amount of people that are being killed and I question why they are not fighting on the ground rather than missile strikes, however that decision lies with higher pay grades than myself and must be a reason that we are not aware of. I along with most normal people do not like to witness suffering and loss of life but on that same note I do not like to think animal cruelty exists although we all know that it does. I am not closing my eyes to the situation it is just my experience that tells me this is not what it appears to be.

 

[Odds]

That simply is not true, what reason have I to make an excuse for the IDF? I am not a jew nor have I any jewish connections. I am simply voicing my own opinions and putting a different view accross to this conflict based on my own knowledge and experience.

Rather than relying on the testimony from doctors who've treated the injured in Gaza hospitals?

Okay.

I am not suggesting that the IDF are all saints, I am pointing out that they are following orders and doing a job that they are paid to do.

More reservists are refusing to fight and further testimony from soldiers who've been in Gaza tells me not all of them will fall back on the "only following orders" excuse when the reckoning comes.

Snipers shooting children is not sitting true with me, soldiers targeting children does not sit right with me, I couldn't do it and I do not know anyone who would or could do it either.

None of which excludes the evidence it has happened, still happens and will continue to happen.

10 years in the army tells me there is another side to this story that is different to what the media are showing and. at the moment that media is mainly controlled by what hamas is putting out.

Balls.

You might trust what you are hearing and seeing as fact, I am not. I accept that Israel is now stepping over the line of human decency with regards to the amount of people that are being killed and I question why they are not fighting on the ground rather than missile strikes, however that decision lies with higher pay grades than myself and must be a reason that we are not aware of. I along with most normal people do not like to witness suffering and loss of life but on that same note I do not like to think animal cruelty exists although we all know that it does. I am not closing my eyes to the situation it is just my experience that tells me this is not what it appears to be.

No. It's much worse. So many uncounted bodies lie beneath the rubble of Gaza.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

That simply is not true, what reason have I to make an excuse for the IDF? I am not a jew nor have I any jewish connections. I am simply voicing my own opinions and putting a different view accross to this conflict based on my own knowledge and experience. I am not suggesting that the IDF are all saints, I am pointing out that they are following orders and doing a job that they are paid to do. Snipers shooting children is not sitting true with me, soldiers targeting children does not sit right with me, I couldn't do it and I do not know anyone who would or could do it either. 10 years in the army tells me there is another side to this story that is different to what the media are showing and. at the moment that media is mainly controlled by what hamas is putting out. You might trust what you are hearing and seeing as fact, I am not. I accept that Israel is now stepping over the line of human decency with regards to the amount of people that are being killed and I question why they are not fighting on the ground rather than missile strikes, however that decision lies with higher pay grades than myself and must be a reason that we are not aware of. I along with most normal people do not like to witness suffering and loss of life but on that same note I do not like to think animal cruelty exists although we all know that it does. I am not closing my eyes to the situation it is just my experience that tells me this is not what it appears to be.

Don't get fixated with the film version of a sniper.
A sniper is anyone who targets victims from a concealed position, sometimes from long range.
The weapon and ordinance used is irrelevant.
Tank Commanders hiding behind earthen banks, can be described as snipers
'Pilots' of drones hiding in the sky can be described as snipers.

How the ordinance is delivered, the number of victims killed in one strike, the place or method of concealment are all irrelevant.

I do not know, nor care for your reason for denying or excusing the war crimes of Israeli combatants against unarmed, innocent, Palestinian children.
It is obvious from your continuous denying and excusing of such Israeli atrocities in this forum proves that you do deny and excuse that behaviour.

I wouldn't go hunting and killing animals, but it would be extremely stupid of me to argue that no-one does because I don't.
And when presented with irrefutable evidence that some do hunt and kill animals, I have no desire to seek their motivation for doing so.

I wouldn't throw myself over the Niagara Falls in a barrel. I don't know anyone who does. But it would be utterly ridiculous of me to argue that no-one does it. And if anyone told me to throw myself over the Falls, I would refuse.

I wouldn't attack, kill, injure nor maim another person. But it would be highly irresponsible for me to argue that no-one does it. And if anyone told me to do it, I would refuse point blank.

Your argument is solely based on your personal decision that you wouldn't do it. There must be innumerable things in life that you wouldn't do, but others do.
Israel and the IDF are targeting and killing, injuring and maiming unarmed innocent babies, children, and women, with impunity.
How many of the 40,000 Hamas combatants do you think are still left alive and active, when the number of dead Palestinians is nearly twice that, not to mention the more than 150,000 injured and severely maimed?
How many Hamas do you think remain alive and active?

170,000 civilians injured and maimed, plus 70,000 civilians killed means that there are 6 times more civilians killed and injured in gaza than the highest estimate of Hamas operatives before 7 October 2023.
Where are the arms left by the dead civilians, following such an attack by Israel.

The only possible explanation for the number of casualties and any Hamas left alive and active is random killing of Palestinians by Israel.
That's not the odd one or two rogue Israeli operatives. That's a policy of genocide.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

During Matt Fry's interview with Mike Huckabee (former USA representative in Israel) on Channel 4 News yesterday, Matt presented three potential end games for the Palestinians in Gaza and the West bank. He asked what other possible scenarios there were, beside the three mentioned by Matt.
1. Total annihilation by the Israelis. i.e Genocide.
2. Total expulsion, i.e Ethnic Cleansing.
3. Absorption into Israel in an Apartheid regime. i.e. Apartheid.

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/channel-4-news/on-demand/76008-268

27:57

Mike Huckabee responded by agreeing he saw no other possible scenarios.
But he did deny there was genocide, on the basis that if Israel was committing genocide, they could do it in about 2 hours. I.e., it's not genocide because they're doing it slowly.

If there was an election soon in Gaza and/or the West Bank, with Fatah campaigning on non-violent opposition to Israeli attacks and land grabs.
And Hamas campaigning on violent opposition to Israeli atrocities and land grabs.
Who would win such a hypothetical election?

 

[Highway Man]

Don't get fixated with the film version of a sniper.
A sniper is anyone who targets victims from a concealed position, sometimes from long range.
The weapon and ordinance used is irrelevant.
Tank Commanders hiding behind earthen banks, can be described as snipers
'Pilots' of drones hiding in the sky can be described as snipers.

How the ordinance is delivered, the number of victims killed in one strike, the place or method of concealment are all irrelevant.

I do not know, nor care for your reason for denying or excusing the war crimes of Israeli combatants against unarmed, innocent, Palestinian children.
It is obvious from your continuous denying and excusing of such Israeli atrocities in this forum proves that you do deny and excuse that behaviour.

I wouldn't go hunting and killing animals, but it would be extremely stupid of me to argue that no-one does because I don't.
And when presented with irrefutable evidence that some do hunt and kill animals, I have no desire to seek their motivation for doing so.

I wouldn't throw myself over the Niagara Falls in a barrel. I don't know anyone who does. But it would be utterly ridiculous of me to argue that no-one does it. And if anyone told me to throw myself over the Falls, I would refuse.

I wouldn't attack, kill, injure nor maim another person. But it would be highly irresponsible for me to argue that no-one does it. And if anyone told me to do it, I would refuse point blank.

Your argument is solely based on your personal decision that you wouldn't do it. There must be innumerable things in life that you wouldn't do, but others do.
Israel and the IDF are targeting and killing, injuring and maiming unarmed innocent babies, children, and women, with impunity.
How many of the 40,000 Hamas combatants do you think are still left alive and active, when the number of dead Palestinians is nearly twice that, not to mention the more than 150,000 injured and severely maimed?
How many Hamas do you think remain alive and active?

170,000 civilians injured and maimed, plus 70,000 civilians killed means that there are 6 times more civilians killed and injured in gaza than the highest estimate of Hamas operatives before 7 October 2023.
Where are the arms left by the dead civilians, following such an attack by Israel.

The only possible explanation for the number of casualties and any Hamas left alive and active is random killing of Palestinians by Israel.
That's not the odd one or two rogue Israeli operatives. That's a policy of genocide.

Shut up stupid.

 

[Highway Man]

Rather than relying on the testimony from doctors who've treated the injured in Gaza hospitals?

Okay.

None of those Dr's are qualified to say that the IDF snipers have shot these children, all they are qualified to do is to view and give medical assistance to gun shot wounds. None of them have seen a shooting other than viewed the wounds.

 

[ellal]

None of those Dr's are qualified to say that the IDF snipers have shot these children, all they are qualified to do is to view and give medical assistance to gun shot wounds. None of them have seen a shooting other than viewed the wounds.

And no doubt have evidence of the type of ammunition used...

Putting that together with their witnessing of the type of injuries sustained, that puts them in a very good position to give a qualified report...

But how come you believe the reports from israel on what Hamas is doing and not vice versa from medics on the ground?

 

[JohnD]

...they are following orders ...

Filly will complain about you claiming that the Nuremberg Defence applies to Israeli crimes against humanity.

"One noted use of this plea or defense was by the accused in the 1945–1946 Nuremberg trials. These were a series of military tribunals held by the main victorious Allies of World War II to prosecute, among others, prominent members of the political, military and economic leadership of the defeated Nazi Germany."

 

[JohnD]

None of them have seen a shooting other than viewed the wounds.

Unlike Highwayman, who viewed the murders in detail as they happened, standing next to the gunmen in uniform, and is therefore in a position to disprove evidence from people on the spot.

Ooops, my mistake, no he didn't.

 

[Highway Man]

And no doubt have evidence of the type of ammunition used...

Putting that together with their witnessing of the type of injuries sustained, that puts them in a very good position to give a qualified report...

But how come you believe the reports from israel on what Hamas is doing and not vice versa from medics on the ground?

Ammunition is not exclusive to one particular military, unless you have the actual gun that fired that particular round proven by a ballistic lab and expert then you cannot say who and any particular person has fired it, Medical Drs are not ballistic experts.

 

[Highway Man]

Unlike Highwayman, who viewed the murders in detail as they happened, standing next to the gunmen in uniform, and is therefore in a position to disprove evidence from people on the spot.

Ooops, my mistake, no he didn't.

Have I claimed this John? I am giving you the other side to the story, a medical Dr is not a ballistic expert, anyone could have taken those shots.