Reform Policies

[Notch7]

Rupert Lowe, as of today, has more Facebook followers than Herr Starmer.

Rupert Lowe is a right wing grifter he posts the predictable inflammatory language that excites the unintelligent

 

[Notch7]

Don’t be daft it would be done via an adjustment to tax code.

You havent actually answered.

Anyway it's academic as Reform have dropped all their so called tax cut policies.

They were only ever vague aspirations never thought out costed policies

 

[IT Minion]

Don’t be daft it would be done via an adjustment to tax code.

So some people would have multiple tax codes? Because I'm sure you don't want to give tax free status for non NHS work. I'm not sure how that would work. Ignoring the difficulty for anyone who has a split role on different bands with internal/front line positions.

Any NHS staff who does any private work or has a more complex role would have to get two?

It's a simple soundbite that is absurdly complex and would be a terrible idea in practice.

 

[motorbiking]

I’d be happy for it to apply to clinical staff below a certain salary, it’s only a boost for the first 3 years.

You are attempting to make it complicated, when it isn’t.

 

[IT Minion]

I’d be happy for it to apply to clinical staff below a certain salary, it’s only a boost for the first 3 years.

You are attempting to make it complicated, when it isn’t.

For three years only? Tax years I assume, not calendar years, or is this just for their first three years of employment?

Will non clinical staff be getting a pay rise during that time? Or are we actually talking about a pay freeze for everyone during that time?

Youre starting to make this more complicated than just exempting NHS frontline staff from tax. Also clinical is every different to front line staff.

Also, does this cover outsourced staff? Temp NHS staff are employed by an agency rather than the NHS trust directly. Are they exempt too?

 

[motorbiking]

For three years only? Tax years I assume, not calendar years, or is this just for their first three years of employment?

Will non clinical staff be getting a pay rise during that time? Or are we actually talking about a pay freeze for everyone during that time?

Youre starting to make this more complicated than just exempting NHS frontline staff from tax. Also clinical is every different to front line staff.

Also, does this cover outsourced staff? Temp NHS staff are employed by an agency rather than the NHS trust directly. Are they exempt too?

I can see that you wouldn’t be able to get your head around it.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Let's cut to the chase, and look at Reform's core policies, and what their core voters think of them

Bash immigrants - good idea
Bash asylum seekers - good idea
Bash non-white foreigners - good idea
Bash Muslims - good idea
Blame immigrants for everything which is wrong - good idea
Blame asylum seekers for everything which is wrong- good idea
Blame non-white foreigners for everything which is wrong- good idea
Blame Muslims for everything which is wrong- good idea

Good to see you're finally beginning to work it out.

As ever, the absence of nuance cripples online debate.

Nobody has said the above are the cause of all our troubles. But that doesn't mean they're not a problem so should be ignored.

 

[IT Minion]

I can see that you wouldn’t be able to get your head around it.

I really can't. What is this supposed to do, for how long, what are the inclusion exclusion criteria. How will it affect the rest of the NHS who won't be getting a pay bump, how much will it cost?

It's more stupid than the promise to have universal broadband from Corbyn, except more expensive and less well thought out.

 

[motorbiking]

I really can't. What is this supposed to do, for how long, what are the inclusion exclusion criteria. How will it affect the rest of the NHS who won't be getting a pay bump, how much will it cost?

It's more stupid than the promise to have universal broadband from Corbyn, except more expensive and less well thought out.

Its in their manifesto :

End Doctor and Nurse Shortages

All frontline NHS and social care staff to pay zero basic rate tax for 3 years. This will help retain existing staff and attract many who have left to return. End training caps for all UK medical students. Write off student fees pro rata per year over 10 years of NHS service for all doctors, nurses and medical staff.

So instead of a personal allowance of £12,570 they have £50,270. Upto £7,540 saved, per person. or for a nurse or paramedic about £3.5k in tax saved.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

I'm happy to trust Reform to do the best they can with the utter mess they're going to inherit. I reckon most people will be fairly understanding that they won't be able to tidy up the whole mess on day one. Although the raging lefties will of course be nit-picking and whining all the way.

On the other hand, it's obvious that Labour also inherited a mess. But almost everyone can see that they're making things vastly worse, not better. Spending is out of control, they just keep finding more things to waste more money on.

 

[IT Minion]

Its in their manifesto :



So instead of a personal allowance of £12,570 they have £50,270. Upto £7,540 saved, per person. or for a nurse or paramedic about £3.5k in tax saved.

I thought that you started paying higher rate after the personal allowance plus the basic band, so for higher rate tax payers it would be 15k as they're being exempted the tax on the top 38k of income.

So it's still massively skewed to higher paid staff.

 

[Notch7]

I'm happy to trust Reform

Did you vote for Boris Johnson in 2019?

 

[Notch7]

Its in their manifesto :

the manifesto that had £100b black hole

“Free beer for everybody darling”

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Did you vote for Boris Johnson in 2019?

You have a weird obsession. I think you revealed that this would somehow prove something that it wouldn't if I agreed or something that makes no sense.

You might as well ask what colour my car is, it makes no difference to anything.

 

[motorbiking]

I thought that you started paying higher rate after the personal allowance plus the basic band, so for higher rate tax payers it would be 15k as they're being exempted the tax on the top 38k of income.

So it's still massively skewed to higher paid staff.

The way I read it. The basic rate falls to zero.

So your personal allowance is extended to include the basic rate.