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Starmer's violent Britain

SPLINE said:
How exactly did Farage start the riots? I followed events very closely at the time, staying up all night watching the various live YouTube streams. They started the day after the Southport stabbing, in the evening shortly after Starmer visited the scene and was angrily heckled. There was no sight or sound of Farage.



Then you, and all your conspiracy theorists, are just guessing, and causing harm in the process.
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You don't want to see how.

So you won't.
 
Odds said:
Don't forget what happened right after the stabbings occurred: within a day of the murders, far-right accounts on Telegram and Twitter began to spread completely false information about the murderer. They claimed that he is an asylum seeker who arrived by small boat, or a Rwandan immigrant, or a Muslim. These are all false information not backed by any credible sources, and still remain false today. Furthermore, these false information were then used to justify attacks against mosques, asylum seekers' hotels, and British Asians in general.

With this backdrop, when one of the most notorious grifter in British politics came out and "asked questions", his intention was clear - he wanted to muddy the water, as if the police knew everything about the murderer on day one, and demanded them to release everything they know. He was trying to lend these false information some level of credence without outright agreeing with them.

That's why he's rightfully condemned for "asking questions".
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I thought the Police had acknowledged they got it wrong over Southport and as a result have since been more expedient in getting facts out there to avoid similar speculation.
 
Odds said:
one of the most notorious grifter in British politics came out and "asked questions", his intention was clear - he wanted to muddy the water, as if the police knew everything about the murderer on day one, and demanded them to release everything they know. He was trying to lend these false information some level of credence without outright agreeing with
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That is a construction - nothing more.
 
Afaik the parents of this scum bag were well aware of his violent behaviour and the risk he posed to others ??

Perhaps they should be prosecuted ??
 
fillyboy said:
I thought the Police had acknowledged they got it wrong over Southport and as a result have since been more expedient in getting facts out there to avoid similar speculation.
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The police inspectorate found no conclusive evidence the disorder was co-ordinated by extremist groups but said it was mostly incited by "disaffected individuals, influencers or groups" online. A report...said most of those involved were local and the violence "was mainly unrelated to their ideology or political views".

"Some of the main reasons for the widespread disorder were social deprivation, austerity and the economic downturn, political policies and decisions on migration and asylum, and decreasing trust and confidence in policing," it said.
 
Notch7 said:
Farage is a very devious character He knows how to stir up trouble with his fan base whilst maintaining plausible deniability.

Maybe nuance is too much for you
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Ultimately trecherous Tories and Labour governments have stoked this situation. They must delight in the division it is creating.

Maybe blatantly obvious facts are too subtle for you?
 
carmanmemoranda said:
You don't want to see how.

So you won't.
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I'd be more than happy to see your concrete proof of Nige starting the riots - but you have none, it's just inference and the chopping-and-changing of his words, as with Trump. If Farage had commandeered the crowds at Southport that fateful evening and called through a huge PA system the words "Thou Shalt Not Riot", the loony left would be calling it incitement.


Odds said:
The police inspectorate found no conclusive evidence the disorder was co-ordinated by extremist groups
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A lot of the racial problems in this country have been allowed by the Police's negligence, so why should we take any notice of their pronouncements? One of the chants the rioters yelled at the cops was "YOU ARE NOT OUR POLICE".

There might come a day when the police stop following communist orders and join the people, as in Romania 1989.
 
ReganAndCarter said:
Ultimately trecherous Tories and Labour governments have stoked this situation. They must delight in the division it is creating.

Maybe blatantly obvious facts are too subtle for you?
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Farage stoked the situation.

that’s why they were called the Farage riots
 
SPLINE said:
How exactly did Farage start the riots? I followed events very closely at the time, staying up all night watching the various live YouTube streams. They started the day after the Southport stabbing, in the evening shortly after Starmer visited the scene and was angrily heckled. There was no sight or sound of Farage.



Then you, and all your conspiracy theorists, are just guessing, and causing harm in the process.
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Farage caused those riots, that’s why they were called the Farage riots

Half of voters think Reform leader Nigel Farage is responsible for riots, poll reveals​

The Reform UK leader ranks just behind Tommy Robinson in voters’ attribution of blame for the far-right riots

www.independent.co.uk

Half of voters think Reform leader Nigel Farage is responsible for riots, poll says

The Reform UK leader ranks just behind Tommy Robinson in voters’ attribution of blame for the far-right riots
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

 
Notch7 said:
Strawman

No concrete needed.

Farage caused those riots, stop arguing against facts it is upsetting you
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I'd argue the facts if you gave me some, but all you have is:

Farage caused the riots
Farage incited the riots
No concrete needed
Half of voters think Farage is responsible for the riots.

etc etc etc.
 
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