Fox hunting season

[Ivor Windybottom]

Presumably they shoot them? I don't see much fundamental difference, there's going to be a probably painful death either way.

As I say, I think it's mostly about class rather than cruelty.

The BBC are playing their part in winding up the public to get them on the side of the proposed government ban.

Perhaps it is the best thing, but I haven't heard any sensible debate about it. Just the idea that it's cruelty vs lovely fluffy wildlife hopping around happily, which is nonsense.

 

[Munroast]

foxes are controlled by the gun, even in 'fox hunting' areas the numbers are managed by the gun. Where they are not wanted 'grouse / pheasant rearing areas' foxes do not exist

In fox hunting areas the foxes are tolerated so they can be hunted, and the countryside is managed to give foxes space to live (good habitat) and this good habitat is wonderful for lots of other species.

Stop fox hunting and the foxes will be removed from the countryside and that habitat so enjoyed by many other species will be lost too

it is a perverse and sad state of affairs, but fox hunting is good for foxes and other wildlife

 

[fillyboy]

Presumably they shoot them? I don't see much fundamental difference, there's going to be a probably painful death either way.

As I say, I think it's mostly about class rather than cruelty.

The BBC are playing their part in winding up the public to get them on the side of the proposed government ban.

Perhaps it is the best thing, but I haven't heard any sensible debate about it. Just the idea that it's cruelty vs lovely fluffy wildlife hopping around happily, which is nonsense.

It is more about class and tradition. Ironically, the farmers who control the numbers by shooting tend to be involved with the hunts in any case. Tipping the toffs off their ponies isn't going to reduce fox deaths, sheep and chicken farmers will shoot a fox on sight, they have to protect their livestock.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Yep, far too complex a situation for the BBC to describe.

It's all about winding up the public to agree with the government.

 

[Notch7]

Presumably they shoot them? I don't see much fundamental difference, there's going to be a probably painful death either way.

As I say, I think it's mostly about class rather than cruelty.

The BBC are playing their part in winding up the public to get them on the side of the proposed government ban.

Perhaps it is the best thing, but I haven't heard any sensible debate about it. Just the idea that it's cruelty vs lovely fluffy wildlife hopping around happily, which is nonsense.

You have a totally uninformed opinion about everything.

 

[Notch7]

Yep, far too complex a situation for the BBC to describe.

It's all about winding up the public to agree with the government.

Wrong

 

[Notch7]

ut I haven't heard any sensible debate about it.

Well you wouldnt

You aren’t capable of research, everything you post is based on your opinion…..you have an uninformed one about everything. I feel sorry for you, it makes incapable of learning anything.

 

[Notch7]

foxes are controlled by the gun, even in 'fox hunting' areas the numbers are managed by the gun. Where they are not wanted 'grouse / pheasant rearing areas' foxes do not exist

In fox hunting areas the foxes are tolerated so they can be hunted, and the countryside is managed to give foxes space to live (good habitat) and this good habitat is wonderful for lots of other species.

Stop fox hunting and the foxes will be removed from the countryside and that habitat so enjoyed by many other species will be lost too

it is a perverse and sad state of affairs, but fox hunting is good for foxes and other wildlife

I’m not sure that’s true.

Fox numbers didn’t go up after the ban in 2006


Foxes are self regulating, they stop breeding if their numbers are too numerous, and if numbers are culled they breed more and foxes rapidly take over new territories where they’ve been culled.

It’s true the culling fox numbers where there are ground birds and hares increases those numbers, but generally across British fox hunting is a sport not wildlife management.

 

[transam]

Over 100,000 foxes are (accidentally ?)killed on Uk roads per year

Than there is
Hare coursing
Bull fighting in Spain
Rodeo nonsense in the US

Entertainment for r******imho ?

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Foxes are self regulating, they stop breeding if their numbers are too numerous, and if numbers are culled they breed more and foxes rapidly take over new territories where they’ve been culled.

The usual barrage of nonsense replies from you. I'll ignore you, you have no useful info.

So... in your world that only exists in your own head, chief statistician fox sits in the set with his clipboard checking all the foxes in and out, keeping tally and telling the others when is a good time to breed?

You're full of it.

What actually happens is that they slowly starve to death, painfully and with lots of suffering.

There is no control because there are no predators other than us. We got rid of the wolves and bears long ago, the situation is unnatural.

 

[SPLINE]

This talking point has been brought to you by the Labour Party, who are so concerned with cruelty to animals that they have flooded the country with millions of muslims.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Yep, yet more contradictory nonsense from a loony left.

They also have gay people marching in favour of a muslim state where they'd all be stoned to death.

 

[Mottie]

A person who is well educated is able to research

You aren’t capable of research

I hadnt done any research

 

[Deluks]

Lots of misinformation on here.

Those making the false claims that 'without fox hunting we'd be overrun with foxes' are just acknowledging the fact that the law is being broken, reinforcing the need for further restrictions on such activities.

Foxes are self regulating, they adjust the amount of cubs they have depending on the resources available, they are also territorial and kill each other.

Nature knows what it's doing, it doesn't need help from a bunch of posh man-babies who are overcompensating from their insecurities caused by that time their sadistic teacher humiliated them by making them do PE in their pants when they were at boarding school.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

I'd really like the idea that nature knows what it's doing, that the responsible foxes stick their johnnies on when there are enough cubs and they all live happily ever after. But it's probably not true.

Here's another opinion...

Fox - Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust

www.gwct.org.uk

The best estimate of the current British fox population is 240,000 adults in spring, to which a production of 425,000 cubs is added annually. For the population to remain stable, 425,000 foxes must therefore die each year. In both rural and urban areas, mortality caused by man predominates. Gamekeepers probably kill 70,000-80,000 annually. Additional culling by other interest groups is difficult to quantify. In urban areas, where 14% of foxes live, road traffic is the chief cause of death.