Fox hunting season

difficult one for me this, I loathe the whole idea of them and would love to see their nasty pastime outlawed - BUT - fox hunting countryside is some of our very best wildlife countryside, as perverse as it may be, to have an abundance of foxes to hunt the countryside is managed in a way that provides good wildlife habitat, so not only do we get lots of foxes but lots of other wildlife too.

I had would ban shooting instead, that is the opposite of fox hunting, they devastate our wildlife so as to have unnatural levels of game birds.
To chase a terrified fox with a pack of dogs then the poor fox gets torn to shreds at the end of the chase after the fox is out of breath and has nowhere to go. It’s diabolical and barbaric. Only done by those that consider themselves gentry. I would happily tear those *******s to pierces.
 
When I was young and living in Edenbridge, a local hunt was out in the fields and they came across an old man with his dog.

The hounds ripped his dog into pieces in front of him.
There are reports of that happening near us too. A pack chased a fox into someone’s garden and their 4 year old daughter was traumatised as they didn’t just tear the fox up but also their pet dog. I wouldn’t be able to control myself I am afraid if that happened at my house.
 
I'd really like the idea that nature knows what it's doing, that the responsible foxes stick their johnnies on when there are enough cubs and they all live happily ever after. But it's probably not true.

Here's another opinion...


The best estimate of the current British fox population is 240,000 adults in spring, to which a production of 425,000 cubs is added annually. For the population to remain stable, 425,000 foxes must therefore die each year. In both rural and urban areas, mortality caused by man predominates. Gamekeepers probably kill 70,000-80,000 annually. Additional culling by other interest groups is difficult to quantify. In urban areas, where 14% of foxes live, road traffic is the chief cause of death.
Farmers shooting them I can understand. It’s quick and doesn’t involve cruelty to the degree that fox hunting brings upon the fox.
 
I'd really like the idea that nature knows what it's doing, that the responsible foxes stick their johnnies on when there are enough cubs and they all live happily ever after. But it's probably not true.

Here's another opinion...


The best estimate of the current British fox population is 240,000 adults in spring, to which a production of 425,000 cubs is added annually. For the population to remain stable, 425,000 foxes must therefore die each year. In both rural and urban areas, mortality caused by man predominates. Gamekeepers probably kill 70,000-80,000 annually. Additional culling by other interest groups is difficult to quantify. In urban areas, where 14% of foxes live, road traffic is the chief cause of death.

Foxes, unlike humans, don't need prophylactics to control their population size, numbers remain stable without human intervention.

Many cubs don't make it, lack of nutrition causes stillbirth, mothers will kill the weaker cubs to ensure survival of the rest of the litter, even then, up to 75% of cubs don't make it to adulthood due to natural causes.

Most foxes live in urban environments which are completely unsuitable for hunting on horseback.
It's a medieval pastime, like the stocks and witch trials, it has no place in modern society.
 
I’m not sure that’s true.

Fox numbers didn’t go up after the ban in 2006


Foxes are self regulating, they stop breeding if their numbers are too numerous, and if numbers are culled they breed more and foxes rapidly take over new territories where they’ve been culled.

It’s true the culling fox numbers where there are ground birds and hares increases those numbers, but generally across British fox hunting is a sport not wildlife management.
it is like you have answered someone else's post

I never mentioned fox numbers!

I heavily suspect rural fox numbers went down as some estates would have shot them out - overall fox numbers may have risen due to urban foxes, foxes are more of a city animal now, - more chance of seeing a fox in Edinburgh than in the very rural area that i live.

To chase a terrified fox with a pack of dogs then the poor fox gets torn to shreds at the end of the chase after the fox is out of breath and has nowhere to go. It’s diabolical and barbaric. Only done by those that consider themselves gentry. I would happily tear those *******s to pierces.
I entirely agree - However, as a practical pragmatist and a life long lover of wildlife I have mixed thoughts, I hate what they do, but where fox hunting still takes place (and there a few areas I often cycle through where hunting has never stopped) these places have healthy populations of foxes and other wildlife. Ban hunting and we may loose the foxes and all the other wildlife that benefits from having foxes

It is the shooting estates that appear to be void of wildlife - it is shooting that needs banned.
 
Ban everything, it's the Labour way!

I agree with the general sentiment on here, this "sport" is vile in every way. I'd have serious doubts about anyone who takes part in this sort of thing. I vaguely know someone who shoots birds for fun - all legally, but yes I find his attitude concerning in all respects.

I was just wondering out-loud if there's at least some sort of benefit from it that would need replacing if it stopped.

And also pointing out that debating anything where politicians have got involved is difficult. We've proven here that the likes of Notch (political tribe members) will just cheerlead brainlessly on the one side of the debate without even thinking about the other, and insult anyone who suggests any sort of nuance.
 
I'd really like the idea that nature knows what it's doing, that the responsible foxes stick their johnnies on when there are enough cubs and they all live happily ever after. But it's probably not true.
In your uninformed opinion. Just because you choose not to believe something doesn’t make it not true.

The evidence does indicate a connection between food availability and vixens having cubs, but its part of a number of factors

The best estimate of the current British fox population is 240,000 adults in spring, to which a production of 425,000 cubs is added annually. For the population to remain stable, 425,000 foxes must therefore die each year. In both rural and urban areas, mortality caused by man predominates. Gamekeepers probably kill 70,000-80,000 annually. Additional culling by other interest groups is difficult to quantify. In urban areas, where 14% of foxes live, road traffic is the chief cause of death.
That’s not a different opinion, it does not indicate whether culling is necessary or not to control fox population.

RSPCA seems to think mange kills many foxes
 
For those interested in a useful debate on foxes, these are animals that live on the edge of survival.

Urban foxes live 12 - 18 months
Semi rural foxes live 1 to 3 years
In captivity they can live maybe 7 to 10 years
 
For those interested in a useful debate on foxes, these are animals that live on the edge of survival.

Urban foxes live 12 - 18 months
Semi rural foxes live 1 to 3 years
In captivity they can live maybe 7 to 10 years
We have been feeding foxes for years at my house. They get better fed than I do. Lena looks after them like pets but every so often they get replaced by another family. It’s lovely to see how they turn out having looked after them. Their coats gleaming a nice healthy weight and look well cared for. They are lovely animals and have unique characters when you get to know them.
 
Pictures from my garden each evening.

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