Reform Policies

[MNW67]

what do you think the goal of "particularly welcome"means?

Initiatives to increase the numbers of women and people from ethnic minorities in the RAF led to unlawful positive discrimination, an inquiry has found.

RAF diversity targets discriminated against white men

The inquiry began when a female officer quit, saying there was too much pressure to meet targets.

www.bbc.co.uk

It means don't be afraid to apply.

 

[motorbiking]

It means don't be afraid to apply.

why would someone be afraid to apply?

Its obvious what the goal is.

 

[MNW67]

why would someone be afraid to apply?

Its obvious what the goal is.

There are many reasons why somebody might believe they have no chance of getting the job or that they won't fit in if they get the job. Some real, some imagined.

The goal is to encourage qualified applicants from the widest field possible.

 

[motorbiking]

We are seeking applicants for xyz. We would particularly welcome applications from people born from 1970 onward.

Do you feel encouraged to apply?

 

[MNW67]

We are seeking applicants for xyz. We would particularly welcome applications from people born from 1970 onward.

Do you feel encouraged to apply?

That wouldn't be legal.

 

[motorbiking]

That wouldn't be legal.

It would depend.

But the question was do you feel encouraged to apply?

 

[MNW67]

It would depend.

But the question was do you feel encouraged to apply?

It is a stupid question, because people aged under 55 don't face discrimination.

But if I was aged 40 and I saw an advert saying:

'We would particularly welcome applications from people born before 1965'

Then it would not put me off from applying.

 

[motorbiking]

It is a stupid question, because people aged under 55 don't face discrimination.

But if I was aged 40 and I saw an advert saying:

'We would particularly welcome applications from people born before 1965'

Then it would not put me off from applying.

You seem reluctant to accept that the objective is to discourage applicants from outside the target group. There wouldn’t be much point in adding the words to the advert if there was no goal.

You will find plenty of carefully worded “positive discrimination” adverts. Some are challenged, a few found illegal and many go unchecked.

It doesn’t belong in an inclusive world.

 

[King Billy]

I will answer it also if i may.

I’m fully supportive of equality (believe me i absolutely am!!) and the aim of removing barriers so that everyone has a fair opportunity. Where I struggle is when equality is applied in a way that overrides merit, experience, or suitability for a role.

If diversity becomes a deciding factor rather than an enabler of fair access, there’s a risk that the best candidate can be overlooked simply because they’re seen as the “expected” or “common” choice. That doesn’t serve the organisation, the role, or equality itself, that happens too many times, and that is the crux of the issue here.

True equality, to me, means widening the pool and judging everyone by the same standards, not adjusting outcomes to fit a predetermined balance. That is absoutely crucial. This is the problem, oh i didn't get the job because i am 'X'. No sorry its mostly about profit for the company, its about maximising profit first and if the cap fits....in my line of work its predominantly men, id love more women in there for other qualities they bring but if i used the equality policies we would end up losing to our competitors and failing as a business, you think that's right?

Or you can just stand there with a placard shouting racist sexist etc when the ideas dont align or you dont understand the reasons.

You object to public servants not reflecting the makeup of the population they serve?
What kind of a world would it be, if all those serving a multi-ethnic community did not represent that community?

 

[King Billy]

Obviously DEI is anti-white. And also creates friction between all races. Anyone of colour who does make the grade is likely to be seen by colleagues as "The DEI hire", so it's insulting to those of colour who have abillity.

So non-white workers have to work harder and better to avoid the labeling., especially in an environment where such attitudes persist.

 

[King Billy]

Anything related to DEI is the exact opposite of equality. DEI is about giving some an advantage over others, based on skin colour or gender, is utterly toxic and should be outlawed as soon as possible.

You are conflating Equality with Positive Discrimination. I use the phrase Positive Discrimination to encompass the process of Positive Action and Lawful Discrimination, and recruiting based on protected characteristics, on all occasions that I mention Positive Discrimination.
Equality is the process for ensuring that all those performing the same role are treated equally, e,g, paid the same
Positive Discrimination/Action is applied when all other things are equal, e.g. the disabled/female/ethnically diverse candidate ie equally qualified and experienced to meet the Person/Job specification, and a specific goal is aimed for, e.g. to serve the community they represent, or to provide a specific perspective.

The ony time when that criteria does not apply is when the job calls for someone with specific characteristics, e.g. female to work in a female only environment, or a disabled person to advise on disability access, etc.

 

[King Billy]

"Positive" discrimination and pushing "privilege" based on colour should not be part of any equality strategy.

It isn't. You are misrepresenting the objectives of Positive Discrimination/Action.

It's one thing to prevent discrimination,

That is the aim of Equality legislation, not Positive Discrimination/Action

 

[King Billy]

As I say, if some groups aren't represented proportionally then target them with training and education to correct the balance.

What recruit them, then train them?
That is Positive Discrimination/Action.

Equality is providing similar education and training to all, depending on their ability and needs. It can't and won't achieve the objectives that Positive Discrimination strives to achieve.

Don't promote people beyond their talents just to correct an imbalance. It's not fair on them, others or the employers - who end up with someone less capable than they would recruit otherwise.

that happens regardless of the ethnicity of those affected.

My suspicion is that those pushing DEI secretly believe that the minorities aren't actually capable of being educated, so racial discrimination is their patronising quick-fix solution. I really hope that this isn't the case, but targeted education would prove or disprove this.

Why am I not surprised by your suspicion?
Neither Equality legislation nor Positive discrimination is aimed solely or primarily at ethnic minorities.

 

[King Billy]

You only have to watch television to see that blacks are over represented , especially in the adverts, makes me want to puke !

If the appearance of black people make you feel nauseous, you ought to consult medical advice.
You might become infamous for suffering from an unheard of condition.

 

[King Billy]

So just random unfounded prejudice against Reform voters then?

Reform voters mostly just want fairness and common sense, which is a long way from the toxic rubbish we're currently enduring from this current mob.

Reform voters want the white privilege to be restored and extended to all white people, irrespective of their class or merit, but especially to those born into wealth.