Trumps attack on Iran - 2026 edition

How will the upcoming attack on Iran go.

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JohnD said:
NATO is dominated by US, which means the barmy Trump.

A friend of Putin, not a friend of European democracy.

An unreliable ally who is not committed to the defence of Europe.

We are Europeans.

We cannot depend of a fickle semi-detached supporter.

If US takes three years to join us, as usual, while a war rages on, there will not be much left.

See the difference?

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Trump has drove a wedge in between the US NATO. Nobody disputes the US is unreliable whilst he is in control. He won't be in charge for too long so why break up NATO in favour for a european army? The security tthat the US brings to NATO as a deterrent to Putin etc is more important than dropping them as an ally
 
Highway Man said:
...The security tthat the US brings to NATO as a deterrent to Putin etc is more important than dropping them as an ally
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I haven't seen anybody recommend that Europe "drops US as an ally."

But that we cannot rely on them and should not allow them to dominate and control our defence organisations.

I'm amused to see you think that Trump deters his buddy Putin.
 
However Trump did his best to deter Ukraine, and tried to pressure them into surrendering their land, sovereignty and armed forces.


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Highway Man said:
Trump has drove a wedge in between the US NATO. Nobody disputes the US is unreliable whilst he is in control. He won't be in charge for too long so why break up NATO in favour for a european army? The security tthat the US brings to NATO as a deterrent to Putin etc is more important than dropping them as an ally
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FCAS, a joint European project with France, Germany and 2 others to produce a 6th generation fighter jet has been scrapped over lack of agreement between between the main partners.

GCAP, an agreement between UK, Japan and Italy to produce a 6th generation fighter by 2035 is on the verge of collapse seemingly because of lack of financial commitment by the UK, despite a treaty having been signed.

The long overdue UK DIP (defence investment plan) might be brought out ahead of the next NATO meeting. Some think it's been delayed simply because there is no money.

Oh well, we'll have to rely on America then.
 
And Trump's bankroller

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These people cannot understand that nations cannot be forced into a deal.

Iran did not give up and roll over.

Nor did Britain.

Bombing people and destroying and a nation does not win you friends.
 
Highway Man said:
European unity exists within NATO, why would you think a European army would be better?
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Stop complete reliance on NATO.
Merging all 27 separate national armies/navies/air forces and having one unified force would be strategically beneficial and would mean less reliance on an unpredictable increasingly mental US government.
Joint purchasing power would save money.
Integrated missile defence systems.
Putin would hate it.

I bet there are loads of other benefits I can't think of.
 
warey4life said:
Stop complete reliance on NATO.
Merging all 27 separate national armies/navies/air forces and having one unified force would be strategically beneficial and would mean less reliance on an unpredictable increasingly mental US government.
Joint purchasing power would save money.
Integrated missile defence systems.
Putin would hate it.

I bet there are loads of other benefits I can't think of.
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