There are some sick people in this country.

[Mottie]

Did you read your presentation?
The failings were not the policy, the failings were in the implemenation of the policy, probably caused by insufficient funding.

Doesn’t matter who is responsible for the failure, care in the community is a failure and not the 'success' you claim it to be.

 

[Highway Man]

Doesn’t matter who is responsible for the failure, care in the community is a failure and not the 'success' you claim it to be.

Absolutely it is a failing. Some serious mentally ill patients were kicked onto the streets and into our community when the assylum system financial crash came.

 

[ellal]

Absolutely it is a failing. Some serious mentally ill patients were kicked onto the streets and into our community when the assylum system financial crash came.

Yep, chalk another one up to the tories!

 

[Mottie]

Yep, chalk another one up to the tories!

We’ve just had a three year old thrown into a crocodile pit by a care in the community nutter and as far as I’m aware, the Tories aren’t in power any more.

* Had any posts deleted lately, Mr rule breaker?

 

[aveatry]

Yep, chalk another one up to the tories!

I wondered how long before -- you didn’t let down.

 

[ellal]

We’ve just had a three year old thrown into a crocodile pit by a care in the community nutter and as far as I’m aware, the Tories aren’t in power any more.

Strangely enough the tories ran down the care in the community program by almost 30%...

Labour has started to increase the number of mental health professionals...

But then I guess your aged memory is failing you and you don't recall those 14 years of austerity

 

[fixitflav]

It may or may not have been factor. We don't know. And we shouldn't speculate about what we don't know.

Who's speculating? Mental illness would be a less blameworthy explanation than some alternatives

But they need stimuli otherwise they will become even more ill. And there will be no chance of recovery.

Yes, but that doesn't alter the fact that they should be taken out of circulation if they're a danger to themselves or others.

Was that another case of inadequate funding caring for the mentally ill?

Is that supposed to be an answer to my question?

Haven't you anything better to do than keep posting, disagreeing on principle with anything anybody else says?

 

[fixitflav]

Absolutely it is a failing. Some serious mentally ill patients were kicked onto the streets and into our community when the assylum system financial crash came.

Made worse when patients who should be confined are let out because of racist quotas.

 

[King Billy]

Doesn’t matter who is responsible for the failure, care in the community is a failure and not the 'success' you claim it to be.

a) I didn't claim it to be anything other than cheaper and more effective at treating mental illness. It's all relative, relative to institutionalising the patients.There isn't an absolute measure of anything in mental health, neither a failure, nor a success, just better, cheaper, more effective etc or not than...........
b) if you read your presented quote, you'll see that the criticisms were in the implementations of the policy, not the policy per se.

 

[Mottie]

Labour has started to increase the number of mental health professionals...

Really? What sort of quality of so-called professionals would you be talking about? I mean, what happened to the two 'professionals' that were accompanying this one person in the zoo? Two to one care and they couldn’t look after him. Professionals? Don’t make me laugh. Minimum pay, minimum effort.

 

[Mottie]

if you read your presented quote, you'll see that the criticisms were in the implementations of the policy, not the policy per se.

Don't care. It. Didn’t. Work. What don’t you understand about that?

 

[King Billy]

Is that supposed to be an answer to my question?

I wasn't pleased that there were so many failings in the NHS system.
Errors that could have and probably would have prevented the deaths.

Calocane had been sectioned four times while under the care of Nottinghamshire Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust, before he was discharged to his GP in 2022.
The inquiry heard he was discharged by the trust's Early Intervention in Psychosis service because he failed to turn up for appointments and the team had "lost" him.

 

[King Billy]

Really? What sort of quality of so-called professionals would you be talking about? I mean, what happened to the two 'professionals' that were accompanying this one person in the zoo? Two to one care and they couldn’t look after him. Professionals? Don’t make me laugh. Minimum pay, minimum effort.

You're speculating.
Is that because you can't accept that funding cuts have resulted in an underperforming delivery?
I've just presented the findings, listing multiple failures of the Colocane case.
Here's the findings of the Christopher Clunis case, more serious failings of the patient not turning up for appointments, not taking his medication, and the NHS 'lost him', his doctor sacked him from her list for being aggressive, , etc.....
Let's wait for the findings in this recent case before we judge people, eh?

 

[King Billy]

Don't care. It. Didn’t. Work. What don’t you understand about that?

That's your opinion.
Why not ask the service users:

Accurate, up-to-date figures highlight the scale of this care:

• Over 640,000 adults with severe mental illnesses (SMI)—such as schizophrenia or bipolar disorder—access community mental health services on average every month. [1, 2]
• 2.8 million people are referred to or treated by adult community mental health services across the UK each year.
• Under the current transformation plan, the NHS aims to provide over 390,000 people with severe mental illnesses with annual physical health checks, and thousands more with community-based employment support and crisis care.

Mental health - Care Quality Commission

Looking at access and quality in mental health care in England in 2024/25.

www.cqc.org.uk

https://www.mind.org.uk/about-us/our-policy-work/the-big-mental-health-report/

NHS England » Community mental health services

NHS England » Community mental health services

www.england.nhs.uk

 

[Mottie]

That's your opinion.

And the opinion of the parents of the 3 year old, and the loved ones of valdo calocane victims and many, many more.