'It's gone too far'

[morqthana]

Brexit has made no difference to your average persons life. I doubt it has impacted on anyones day to day on this forum,

Even if that were true (which it so is not), you have completely, and to a staggering extent, failed to understand my post.

You wrote

It was put to the public to vote on leave or stay, the vote was made and the result wasn't what you wanted. Tough but that's life.

I said it was a democratic vote put to the people who all had a chance to say yes or no. We all voted and one side won with one side losing. Only the losing side cannot accept the result and have never got over it.

and have now added

A few discrumpled holiday makers is the only complaint and apart from that it is mainly about just not getting their own way and accepting that their vote to stay lost the referendum. Move on and get over it.

As I said, those people who you characterise as "only the losing side cannot accept the result and have never got over it", and "not getting their own way and accepting that their vote to stay lost the referendum", and who you think should "move on and get over it" are behaving in exactly, exactly, the way that Farage said the Leave campaign would behave if they lost by a small margin.


Do you know what a hypocrite is?

 

[morqthana]

Hopefully Nosey has found something more credible than the article written by Professor Thom Brooks , Durham University 9rd February 2023.

Available here: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4351994

It acknowledges Dublin was at best a deterrent, but provides nothing much to support the claim. Thom Brooks did quite a lot of publishing in the run up to the leave vote, to discourage leave voting.

This isn't a peer-reviewed journal article — it's a self-published "working paper"/policy report. It has no journal, no editorial board, and no external peer review. it was explicitly written as a policy intervention aimed at MPs, timed to the UK's "Stop the Boats" debate, accompanied by press outreach and a widely-shared video, and was subsequently cited in a House of Commons debate. That's a legitimate way to try to influence policy, but it's not academic research.

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The UK-France small boats returns deal and options for further cooperation with the EU - Migration Observatory

This Q&A discusses the evidence related to UK-EU co-operation on asylum and unauthorised migration.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk

 

[motorbiking]

Stopping them from leaving is the best approach - yes
Returning them to their home country is unlikely to need to involve the EU.

So nothing to do with Brexit . In fact you could just as easily argue that Brexit has been an effective deterrent due to the loss of EU rights

 

[noseall]

AI

Nope. I’ll link you to the paper later when I’m at my desk.

 

[Andydevon]

Oh dear how was it? Smash the gangs?

Migrants win High Court battle against one-in, one-out deal

Britain's High Court today backed the appeal of five Channel migrants who argued the Government was breaking the law in deporting them.

www.dailymail.com

 

[Koolpc]

Small boats are because the criminal gangs will try anything to get people into the UK....fact. They tried lorries......next, parachuting!!!!

 

[motorbiking]

Nope. I’ll link you to the paper later when I’m at my desk.

You'll see I have already provided the link.

More hogwash.

Liar MBK will say anything that pops into his empty ed

NoseNout shares his wisdom™ and some abuse

 

[motorbiking]

Small boats are because the criminal gangs will try anything to get people into the UK....fact. They tried lorries......next, parachuting!!!!

Yep - there is easy money to be had, a free boat taxi and board and lodging when you arrive.

 

[Highway Man]

Even if that were true (which it so is not), you have completely, and to a staggering extent, failed to understand my post.

You wrote



and have now added



As I said, those people who you characterise as "only the losing side cannot accept the result and have never got over it", and "not getting their own way and accepting that their vote to stay lost the referendum", and who you think should "move on and get over it" are behaving in exactly, exactly, the way that Farage said the Leave campaign would behave if they lost by a small margin.


Do you know what a hypocrite is?

The vote was cast, it was a fair vote and leave won. End of. Nothing more than that.

 

[Highway Man]

Even if that were true (which it so is not), you have completely, and to a staggering extent, failed to understand my post.

You wrote



and have now added



As I said, those people who you characterise as "only the losing side cannot accept the result and have never got over it", and "not getting their own way and accepting that their vote to stay lost the referendum", and who you think should "move on and get over it" are behaving in exactly, exactly, the way that Farage said the Leave campaign would behave if they lost by a small margin.


Do you know what a hypocrite is?

 

[aveatry]

Didn't the increase in boats follow the massive security increase for lorries coming from the EU?

I also think it was to do the illegals realising that the constant line put out by the government that crossing the channel was extremely dangerous was just scaremongering. And slowly they began to realise it.

 

[motorbiking]

Not to mention the shadow French warship and RNLI taxi that awaits.

 

[morqthana]

The vote was cast, it was a fair vote and leave won. End of. Nothing more than that.

And those who think it was flawed, was the wrong result, and would like to see it reversed are doing EXACTLY what Farage said the Leave side would do if they had lost by 48:52.

Do you know what a hypocrite is?

 

[morqthana]

... RNLI taxi ...

https://rnli.org/about-us/our-work-in-the-channel

The RNLI is a volunteer service, and their sailors put their lives at risk to save the lives of others.

When the call goes out, when the flare goes up, they don’t think about politics – all they think is that someone at sea is in distress, and they need their help.

A couple of comments from them:

“Our volunteers get out of bed in the middle of the night, leave their employment, leave their families, and go out and do this because they believe in doing the right thing. Never doubt their commitment to that.”

“We do not judge those we rescue – where we believe there is a risk to life at sea, we will always launch in response to a call from HM Coastguard,”

And sometimes when these volunteer crews get back to shore they are abused by people for providing a “taxi service” for illegal immigrants.

Since their founding in 1824 they’ve saved 146,000 lives.

The memorial at Poole carries over 600 names of crew who have lost their lives saving others.


And you denigrate them because you don't like the people they are saving.


As a sailor you should be ashamed, utterly ashamed, at your attitude to them.

 

[Highway Man]

And those who think it was flawed, was the wrong result, and would like to see it reversed are doing EXACTLY what Farage said the Leave side would do if they had lost by 48:52.

Do you know what a hypocrite is?

No need to shout, just say what you think in a normal tone. You are breaking rule No7. I thought I would bring that to your attention just in case you didn't realise, any further shouting will result in a report situation. You cannot overturn and reverse a democratic vote just because you did not win the vote. It is how democracy works and there would be little point in voting if we just then kept voting or reversing until we got the vote we wanted. That is a dictatorship so once again I have to school you on how democracy works. Sorry you feel that you were swindled out of something you didn't like. You will just have to put your big boy pants on and accept it. It has been 6 years now, get over it.