No one 'wants' to be on benefits!

Notch7 said:
You have to provide proof

If you don’t get a job in x time you have to go in for an interview

It’s already pretty tough on benefits….on UC people routinely get their benefits cut because computer says no.
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There's people out there that take the **** and we all know it. Even you.

However there are people with mental health issues that don't know some jobs even exist . Jobs that will cater for them. And I think this awareness is out there.
 
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berty3000 said:
Sorry, but the alleged motivation is irrelevant.

There are loads of jobs in this economy that are either going unfilled or massive numbers of foreigners need to be brought in to fill them, with all the costs and risks involved in that. Why on earth are we paying able bodied people to be idle whilst this is the case? I'll say it again, unless somebody is so disabled they can't work, then choices are being made. The option of living on benefits shouldn't be available. Being completely useless and charging everybody else for it is morally reprehensible and shouldn't be permitted.
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This is the usual dumb argument that 1 million job vacancies and 1 million unemployed can simply be matched up.


This what happens when you subscribe to the Daily Mail level of critical thinking
 
Bod ... said:
There's people out there that take the **** and we all know
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Yes we all know, that’s a given.

But when people on the right wing of politics talk about “benefit scroungers”, they never apply to that small subset of people on benefits.


I know a lady I see when out walking my dog, she suffers PTSD from historic domestic violence she also clearly has some other health issues. She lives on benefits. Last winter she could afford to heat her flat, as universal credit didn’t give her enough money to do it.


When people like you, Berty, Harry etc talk about “benefit scroungers” without qualifying who you mean: You include her in that. That’s the problem.
 
After Reagan cut benefits there was a major and continuing spike in crime. That will happen here.
 
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Justin Passing said:
Not sure that the jobs available would fit the people available. They'd mostly be crap at picking fruit - too slow.

They should do something though even if it's tidy parks, collect litter, learn to read and write.... do some exercise...
They would be unreliable - mandatory bodycams.
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There's a lot more than fruit picking. How about all the foreign lads delivering fast food on e bikes? Washing cars? All jobs that anybody can do.

Besides, people will find ways of raising their game if it's a matter of survival.
 
blup said:
After Reagan cut benefits there was a major and continuing spike in crime. That will happen here.
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There were various factors that led to rising crime, pinning it on the one that supports your desire to maintain a paid army of lazies is unconvincing. Violent crime is out of control in some urban areas in this country right now. It can't be blamed on a lack of benefits.
 
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berty3000 said:
There were various factors that led to rising crime, pinning it on the one that supports your desire to maintain a paid army of lazies is unconvincing. Violent crime is out of control in some urban areas in this country right now. It can't be blamed on a lack of benefits.
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Cut backs in policing maybe hasn't helped.

The same tree, just a different branch
 
May as well know what's what with UC
UniCredit.jpg

As people have been moved to UC it's hard to compare with previous figures

No work requirements Not expected to work at present. Health or caring responsibility prevents claimant from working or preparing for work. Examples of people on this regime include those in full time education, over state pension age, has a child under 1 and those with no prospect for work.

The rest of the categories are here
www.gov.uk

Universal Credit statistics, 29 April 2013 to 11 January 2024

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
 
ajohn said:
May as well know what's what with UC
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As people have been moved to UC it's hard to compare with previous figures

No work requirementsNot expected to work at present. Health or caring responsibility prevents claimant from working or preparing for work. Examples of people on this regime include those in full time education, over state pension age, has a child under 1 and those with no prospect for work.

The rest of the categories are here
www.gov.uk

Universal Credit statistics, 29 April 2013 to 11 January 2024

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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Quite deliberate masking exercise.
 
There were 2.4 million people on Universal Credit in employment for December 2023, 38% of all people on Universal Credit. This figure has been stable since January 2023.
The number of households on Universal Credit is 5.4 million
Households with children accounted for 50% of households on Universal Credit with a payment in November 2023.
Another report linked off the one I posted
  • 2.0 million people were on UC health compared to 1.6 million a year earlier
  • of these, 272 thousand (14%) had acceptable medical evidence of a restricted ability to work pre-WCA; 347 thousand (18%) were assessed as limited capability for work (LCW), and 1.4 million (69%) were assessed as limited capability for work and work-related activity (LCWRA)
  • 53% of claimants were female
  • of all claimants on UC health, 37% were aged 50 plus and 11% aged under 25
 
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