Starmer's treachery

Ivor Windybottom · Sunday at 12:25 PM

King Billy said:
Based on opinions dressed up and paraded as facts.

You're suggesting that the outcome of the referendum wasn't a fact?

Crikey, we're into that alternative reality again.

King Billy · Sunday at 1:02 PM

Ivor Windybottom said:
You're suggesting that the outcome of the referendum wasn't a fact?

Crikey, we're into that alternative reality again.

You must be if you managed to misunderstand what I wrote.
You differentiated between facts and opinions, here:

Ivor Windybottom said:
Opinions, not facts.
Opinions differ. That's why have this thing called democracy to decide things.
The decision was to leave.

The decision to leave was based on opinions, dressed up and paraded as facts;-

King Billy said:
Based on opinions dressed up and paraded as facts.

Remember these?

The 2016 Brexit campaign featured several prominent opinions and projections presented as absolute facts to influence voters. Key examples included the £350m-a-week NHS spending claim, assertions that leaving the EU would be "easiest" in history, and warnings of an immediate recession. These claims often obscured complex economic and political realities.
The £350m a Week Claim
Easiest Deal in History
Turkey Joining the EU
Post-Brexit Economic Growth

Ivor Windybottom · Sunday at 1:08 PM

That and every election ever, by all sides. I saw the bus, thought it was rubbish, but still thought the arguments in favour or leaving vastly outweighed the gains from remaining. There were also others claiming all kinds of scary stuff, pretty much that the sky would fall down if we left. People hear everything, they decide what they think is rubbish (often most of it), then vote. Then the decision is made.

Perhaps we should have a referendum every 10 years then? That Neverendum that Cameron said he didn't want it to be?

In, out, shake it all about?

King Billy · Sunday at 1:17 PM

Ivor Windybottom said:
Perhaps we should have a referendum every 10 years then? That Neverendum that Cameron said he didn't want it to be?

It's a unilateral decision to leave. That's not so to join.
So the EU would soon be fed up of potential temporary membership and say "Non", a la De Gaulle.

Ivor Windybottom · Monday at 9:46 AM

They would welcome us in, provided we were throwing the £billions at them as before.

The EU is broke. Which is a very good reason to stay out.

Diver Fred · Monday at 9:56 AM

Ivor Windybottom said:
The EU is broke. Which is a very good reason to stay out.

It's surprising just how many projects the EU funds overseas - Pontoon Bridge in Curacao, Banana growers in St Lucia, (Or)fish industry in Guadeloupe as examples.

aveatry · Monday at 10:18 AM

Ivor Windybottom said:
They would welcome us in, provided we were throwing the £billions at them as before.

The EU is broke. Which is a very good reason to stay out.

Every thing they implement turns to bs
New airport scanners
The new EES is falling over- Greece has abandoned it already.
The EU spend billions on just making stuff up to keep its EMPs in a job

Ivor Windybottom · Monday at 10:18 AM

Diver Fred said:
It's surprising just how many projects the EU funds overseas - Pontoon Bridge in Curacao, Banana growers in St Lucia, (Or)fish industry in Guadeloupe as examples.

The EU must have got a lot bigger since we left!

King Billy · Monday at 11:25 AM

Diver Fred said:
It's surprising just how many projects the EU funds overseas - Pontoon Bridge in Curacao, Banana growers in St Lucia, (Or)fish industry in Guadeloupe as examples.

Ivor Windybottom said:
The EU must have got a lot bigger since we left!

The EU has a different outlook to overseas development. They fund projects to help the countries improve their productivity, etc.
UK says charity begins at home, so the refugees come here.

blup · Monday at 11:38 AM

Starmmer’s not treacherous, he’s slightly boring.

Ivor Windybottom · Monday at 11:41 AM

King Billy said:
The EU has a different outlook to overseas development. They fund projects to help the countries improve their productivity, etc.
UK says charity begins at home, so the refugees come here.

That's a pretty disjointed concept!

The EU is overflowing with migrants.

festive · Monday at 6:22 PM

So we have the vote tomorrow to see if the wriggler faces more scrutiny on his decision to onboard Mandy, this really is way more significant over CakeGate, irrespective of party really is, i stand by seeing Boris go he wasted way too much time talking rubbish and not doing enough, this is the same issue now, he is not fit for the role as PM he never has been.
Be interesting as Labour MPs have the choice of 'doing the right thing' or doing the 'right' thing. What will they chose.

MPs to vote on whether to hold inquiry into Starmer over Mandelson

Commons speaker grants application for vote on investigation into whether prime minister misled MPs

www.theguardian.com

festive · Monday at 6:43 PM

blup said:
Starmmer’s not treacherous, he’s slightly boring.

Agree on the boring, but slightly, omg, imagine him over for dinner... look at him when he's with Trump for example he's almost sh'ttign himself.
No he's up there with John Major, Gordon Brown etc, but far less trustworthy, those two may well have lied but i doubt it was anything exciting worth talking about ever.

This guy is the 'he did it sir' snitch from school. He's a deviant.

Disagree on the Treacherous.

Dangerous or unsafe (especially in a hidden way) - Yes
Deceitful or disloyal (about people) - Yes
Unpredictable and risky - Yes

I believe Treachery stands.

King Billy · Tuesday at 7:19 AM

Ivor Windybottom said:
That's a pretty disjointed concept!

The EU is overflowing with migrants.

You keep telling us they all want to come to UK.
So if they're stuck in France, it not only doesn't disprove the difference in attitudes, it reinforces it.

noseall · Tuesday at 7:25 AM

Ivor Windybottom said:
You're suggesting that the outcome of the referendum wasn't a fact?

Crikey, we're into that alternative reality again.

Troll.

Starmer's treachery

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