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IIRC cool white is around 4000K and warm white around 3000K. So the cool white is like the Xenon headlights on cars. This is the colour temperature of our present MR16 bulbs which is what we are trying to achieve using a different fitting and bulb combination, with a view to changing to LED when...

I appreciated it on my first thread a few weeks ago and we looked seriously into the alternatives you suggested by going to several lighting suppliers (not sheds) and also looking at the kind of fitments in situ in various locations. We came to the conclusion that they weren’t for us. In your...

And you don't have the right to tell people what light to fit. I asked for constructive advice on a particular light fitting which we have thought long and hard about. The fact is we don't like the alternatives you suggested to us in previous posts, the light is awful, far too general...

I know some of you don’t like downlights and we have seriously looked at the alternatives, which were suggested in my previous posts, but we just don’t like the general light they give off, we do however like the cool white light from the MR16 50 watt bulbs with a 45 degree angle...

At least that is a possibility, a remote one I grant you, but still a possibility!

I agree! Maybe LEDs will be better than the CFLs in the future? This is really getting to be a nightmare, all we want to do is have the same colour/brightness/beam angle as the 50watt MR16s in a low energy bulb.

Yes it is the Hamilton one, is it a good system?

Okay... but the MR16s we are used to do exactly what we want and I thought the GU10s were the mains equivalent. So if we exclude GU10 and MR16 fittings what others can give a 40 to 50 degree angle of light suitable for using cool white bulbs equal to the MR16 50 watt? We would also like to...

I saw the 9 watt version (3x3 watt) and it was very impressive but as you say, not cheap at around £30.

Thanks for that, I will have a look.

Thanks for that, they look interesting. A few questions though, what degree of spot/flood are they? We have found that 40 to 50 degrees are okay. Can you get the bulbs in a cool white light? We have the MR16 50 watt lights and love the bright white light they give off. I know a lot of them...

:lol: :lol: No Steve, we still have the old kitchen operational. It's a long project as I'm doing most of the building work inside at weekends and in the evenings.

We were out a couple of weeks ago and went into a cafe which had the type of lights you mentioned in my previous post but we didn't like the general overall light from them. I realise you don't like downlights but we do, we like the flood type downlights which give broad pools of bright cool...

They don't do T5s for downlights do they?

We have been looking at LEDs. There is a Philips one just out which is 9 watts for a GU10 fitting and is quite impressive and the technology is improving all the time.

We are in the process of building an extension for the kitchen and at the moment I haven't put the flooring down or the walls and ceiling up so now is the best time to do anything with the lighting. We are going to have four zones for lighting, Perimiter, Wall & Under Cupboard, Island and...

It's becoming clear the the GU10 fittings are a bit like Marmite. Our lounge is about the same size as the new extension and in there we have two pendants with 100 watt incandescent bulbs in them. They light the room fine but we never have them on, instead we have two wall lights on a dimmer and...

I did look at your other suggestions but they looked overkill for a domestic situation. What exactly is wrong with GU10 fittings? We have been using MR16 fittings for years and find them ideal for use in the kitchen. You are obviously very experienced in this area so I take your comments...

I called in to see a lighting designer and after a brief chat it was suggested that we could go with the GU10 fittings and use the 11w Megaman cool white bulbs like this: http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/FLCFL200W.html What are your thoughts on this? I assume they aren't HF types so...

Are the HF fittings suitable for kitchens or are they overkill?