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Yes Harry, that is why they should NEVER be relied upon as a "Test for Dead" which is the most important part of all. That is why I am not against them once a proper test for dead regime is established first then use the volt stick afterwards as a double check if you like. Never use them as the...

Sorry I should have qualified that comment a bit. When considering 3 x T & E cable to a ceiling rose in its simplest form (many variants are possible) then you have three at the rose, mains in (from the supply or the last rose before the one being tested) , the the second one is mains out to...

I must admit my first thought was BANG until John pointed out the bit about disconnection the switch which I too had missed mentally. I think Flameport`s comment is the best and I reckon he would not be too keen on someone attempting to use a multimeter instead of approved testers in approved...

Yes. To the OP. Initially we needed to understand whether some of the connections were to the mains (in) side or the load (out) side. Once we knew that we could say for certain. Using the correct terminology and the your more detailed drawings allowed us to ascertain exactly what went on...

If it`s done as per Sunray`s diagram as per post 18 the personally I would not have a problem with it. Thinking that one twin or one single socket is allowed then by the same thinking this would be pretty much the same as two single sockets and we believe that, perhaps, this modification to ring...

It`s possible that the OP does not have that situation though?

Can you explain what you actually mean by this please?

Carry a massive "Portable" HiFi/Radio/Recorder thingy that`s almost the size of a suitcase above your shoulder and tell folks "It`s a Gecko Blaster!" and that should be ok. Those Geckos don`t half like walking on the underside of a garage roof etc, I wonder if they walk on power lines?

Or us !

Does he mean me? ;)

Agree

But if it is in a bad place it is in a bad place. I have refused to put them in bad places and usually win anyway. Only once did I fail, I will not accept customers to do a job other than what I feel is right. It is their own prerogative to do otherwise but I will not become complicit with daftness

Well we made a guess and we realised out guess was wrong. Do we correct it and rewrite all the drawings and text? no, we decided to stick with what we thought we knew but realising it is actually the reverse and so long as we are aware that in most things it does not actually matter that much...

Yes I am aware how old the post is, is that in anyway relevant to to post or my contribution? Actually I was trying to remember the figures I had previously worked upon to produce this one off gadget so I did a search for info online and getting no easy answer I thought what about the Heating...

Yes of course, we all remember some things, how do you find that strange? I am oresuming by your question that you do find it strange but you might not.

I remember making such a tester for a firm of plumbing and heating engineers I was associated with quite a few years ago. It was a metalclad twin socket box with some magnets as feet so easy to attach to the side of a boiler. a miniature current measuring meter analogue meter as was common in...

Thnks Plugwash, interesting

yes double reds were rare but some installed nonetheless. were more expensive so red and black with often but not always a red sleeve or tape flag. I always sleeved Red where required. I found it actually made it easier to look at to check connections funnily enough (I did realise that the...

are not really Yup I am with you on that one.

that is very interest That is very interesting Sunray. If a manufacturer made one I am sure that some would be bought. But enough to make sales worthwhile? not quite sure. Of course some of us could make our own, not many would bother but some would do I think. I did think about it a couple of...