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You were exactly right Chris, I moved it away from the cistern and the float now works as you would expect. Still mystified by the relationship between the upstairs toilet and bath, and this downstairs toilet being spurred into action. Thank you again Ray

Thanks, it’s at my sons house I’m going to have another look at it this morning.

Thank you for that, I’ll wedge it away from the cistern tomorrow and check the movement. Are the seals readily available?

Having not worked on one of these I'm unsure what can and can't be done. The downstairs toilet cistern occasionally overflows into the bowl. It happens when a bath is run upstairs, or when the toilet is flushed upstairs. The float is fully underwater when the water level is in it's "normal"...

Just one more question … is it more common to initially hang in the pipes or to empty the system?

Thank you Harry It’s aggravating that it looks exactly the same as it would if neither of the stop taps were sealing properly. It’s probably made worse for having 5 sinks and 3 toilets. Ray

I understand Harry, Seemingly without anything open other than the kitchen tap water drains from the upstairs ... I'm wondering where the air might be getting in?

This is more out of curiosity than a problem ... In our 1964 bungalow when you turn off the main stop tap the cold water to the sink taps stops immediately. In my son's 1998 two storey house after struggling to turn the under sink stop tap off to work on an upstairs toilet cistern, the kitchen...

If a person would feel better by doing something, what would be wrong with a perfectly applied blob of solder from a soldering iron, then forget all about it?

Sorry to read how bad you feel about your lucky escape, a lot worse things have happened. To get even half way through the 1.6mm wall of a 15mm pipe the clean cut with a wood drill would be a lot wider. That said, once someone mentions renewing it, you feel inclined to. I'd have a look what the...

Well Done

Scott, in case it is helpful for these people to know ... are the 3 radiators that are not getting hot downstairs or upstairs and not together in a separate part of the house ?

Thank you for the explanation John, Our system started 30 years ago fired by an Trianco TRG 45 Anthracite Boiler which was changed a few years later to an Ideal Classic in the garage, then an Ideal Logic in the loft in 2019 ... the pipework around the tank hasn't changed much since 1995.

I don't think I've seen a separator until now ... is it normal to have one? Is the "auto vent" on ours in place of a separator?

10 mins might be expected with 15 radiators and the mains only cracked open … I imagine there’ll still be a bit of air to come out of the radiators after it’s been stood a while …

Regarding the comp fitting if you put a pipe in each end they would be a distance apart, it’s that distance that would need cutting out of rigid pipework

I can’t help on that only to say the one to the pump does screw off and you would need to make sure all the pipes are metric as opposed to imperial.

It’s a combined radiator valve and drain off presumably - you use the white knob to turn the radiator on and off - how do you control the drain off - is there a plug inside the tube you remove with a bleed key ?

Your understanding is correct. If the tank is still full and the ballcock is still held up and the radiators are still empty then you certainly have a blocked feed pipe (B) I would use a plastic stop end to block the vent pipe (A) On its own the blocked pipe isn’t stopping your heating...

Here's a simplified version of what you're trying to do ... It was thought you had a blockage in the pipe from the F&E tank ... the top up pipe ... by applying mains water into the system with an hose pipe and blocking the vent pipe A it will force water thro to B and into the tank.