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what would be your solution in this case then? please tell me and the OP the correct way. If you want to extend a lighting circuit that has no earth, how do you do it?

Okay, I'm sorry, but I'm a DIYer with quite a lot of knowledge with general renovation, wiring, plumbing e.t.c. not an electrician. If a DIY'er says something that you don't think is right, be a decent person and politely correct them so they can learn themselves, don't be patronizing

yeah that's right, but if you think about it, that could only happen if the wires are going through part of the fitting (like a lamp holder, tube on a chandelier/sconce e.t.c.) A recessed halogen light with a metal ring that's only designed to secure the lightbulb in place and doesn't touch the...

sorry nobody's really helping you, seems people are just getting hung up on metal light fittings. you'll know if it's rubber! it's really obvious, you can't get T&E with no earth anymore, so as long as you're just using fittings that don't need an earth, you can just put the earth into a...

I resent that. Can you point out to me the majority of posts I've made that give bad advice? the majority of posts I have made have nothing to do with electrical wiring, it is a DIY site after all, for all people to learn, even those people trying to give advice. The metal ring on a recessed...

OK, thanks for letting me know that it's not standard practice anymore then. That's all I wanted to know.

I forgot I had an account, logged on to ask a question and got a bit hooked. whoops. come on, that earth has no purpose. Now these are nice (expensive) metal switches http://www.forbesandlomax.com/the-unlacquered-brass-range.html but they wouldn't look good in a 1960's house

Maybe I'm just venting, but that earth connection isn't doing anything. It's just terminating on a random piece of metal that isn't actually connected to anything that could come into contact with the conductors, or anything you will touch.

why do they make fittings with no earth terminal? It's dumb. Whatever you do is going to be a bodge, whether you cut it off, tape it, bend it back e.t.c.

Yes, this is how it always used to be done, I've lived in lots of old houses, and always noticed that it was a much more fool-proof way of doing it. When people just screw the wires straight in without twisting or doubling over, it doesn't seem right

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I'm just wondering what people think, when I wire sockets, accessories e.t.c. I always twist conductors together with a pair of pliers before screwing into terminals, because I've seen many times cables that have come loose or aren't screwed in properly (especially when two conductors go into...

I mean, most recessed halogen lights have no earth connection because they're double insulated. I was saying that most modern metal fittings look tacky in old properties anyway unless it's a bathroom or kitchen, so anyone with any design sense wouldn't be having an earth problem :)

thinking about it, how many lights actually need an earth? even most recessed downlights don't need an earth. Most metal lightswitches are tacky and don't look right in old properties anyway (unless they are really nice quality unlacquered brass or similar, but then they only really go with...

it's not ideal, but if you want to fit the grey sheathed cable (T&E) into that light fitting, you'll have to just snip off the Earth (green/yellow) wire as close as possible to the sheathing and leave it unconnected.

When you're renovating old buildings, you're not expected to bring everything up to modern standards (it's not practical)-you'd end up knocking the building down and starting over. You wouldn't be required to change the height of ceilings e.t.c. to today's minimum heights if you were...

why? what, for lighting circuits? 4mm is only necessary for radial socket circuits surely. For lighting, you only need 1-1.5mm earth, and you could run singles designed for conduit. If an earth-live fault occurred (happened to me), the fuse would blow instantly assuming there is 5amp wire in the...