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Do you mean that some of them had to move into an adjacent lane. If so, does that meet the threshold for obstructing a federal officer. I honestly don't know. My gut feeling, though, is that it is such a tiny little impediment that it won't meet the threshold for a federal crime.

I am probably the only person on this thread who has been objective: I have said that Renee knew the masked men were ICE agents. I have said that the person who told Renee to drive off was Becca Good. I have said that the first shot might be lawful. I have said that even if the attempted...

Although you have got that totally wrong in regards to Renee and Becca, you have inadvertently stumbled upon an interesting story. Trump actually is using 18 U.S.C. § 372. But not against Becca Good. He is using it against the mayor of Minneapolis and the governor of Minnesota. Trump is trying...

From the videos we have seen so far, Renee didn't 'block' the road. The second lane wasn't 'blocked' at all and traffic, which included some of the ICE cars, was flowing freely. The ICE operation had been taking place more than a hundred yards away from where she was parked. After the operation...

I still think it is possible that the first shot was legal. That is a completely different issue. I'm just trying to walk MBK through what we discussed yesterday, because he seems to have forgotten again.

Following on from the middle movement above, this is the last movement from Beethoven's final piano concerto, the Emperor. Because of his increasing deafness, Beethoven realised that he would never be able to play another piano concerto with an orchestra. So, this movement is a triumphal and...

The federal investigation is into whether Renee and Becca had any ties to groups which are legally monitoring the ICE agents. It is a mud throwing exercise. But it is utterly irrelevant to the point being discussed. Yesterday, you seemed to be making progress. You said that, from the videos...

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You still haven't explained how somebody sitting in a car more than a hundred yards away could have been attempting to interfere with or obstruct the ICE operation.

Stylistically, it reminds me of the beautiful middle movement from Beethoven's Emperor Concerto:

This is my favourite Chopin piece.

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I actually think that if, like me, you are willing to step back and look at this tragic event objectively, some important issues are highlighted. In the USA, under the First Amendment, it is legal to protest peacefully. This includes recording or videoing law enforcement. That is what Renee's...

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NY Times. Do you have a subscription. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/16/us/911-calls-minneapolis-ice-shooting.html It seems to have changed slightly since this morning.

She was actually still alive when the emergency services got there. If they had allowed the physician to help her, then perhaps she might have survived. As it turns out, it was two shots to the chest and one to the arm.

The Earp Vendetta? I only know about it from Tombstone.

I have now been thinking this through. I have tried to work out what might have been going on in the agents' heads: Outside a suburban house in Minneapolis, two ICE agents are busy checking passports. They are exceedingly bored. A1 ‘You see that car over there’ A2 ‘The one in the distance...

I said I was undecided on whether the first shot was lawful. We still don't have enough information. It doesn't matter in the USA whether law enforcement are acting illegally. They still have a right to defend themselves e.g. if they are conducting an illegal search.

Despite all the waffle and deflections, what it still comes down to is how a woman in a car, pipping her horn, could be attempting to obstruct an ICE operation being carried out more than a hundred yards away.