Are the border force and the RNLI losing their touch?

[MNW67]

Just because you are a Looney Lefty don't try to dismiss factual statements from someone as being a troll. Perhaps if you took your head out of where ever you have stuffed it you may be able to open your eyes long enough to see what is actually happening.

Well, you now seem to be posting sensibly and rationally, rather than the bizarre stream of consciousness style you adopted at first.

I hope it continues and you become a valued member of the forum.

 

[rds60h]

I had to Google all that. It is alleged to have happened in this interview. But she doesn't actually say that, however many times the interviewer tries to put words in her mouth:

Minister asked whether the rights of asylum seekers trump the interests of locals

Do ministers agree that the rights of asylum seekers trump that of local people? Trevor Phillips speaks to the Education Secretary.

news.sky.com

She did say it and it was confirmed in the House, you probably had to google about Hansard because you would never wish to learn the truth of what is said in Parliament verbatim from both sides of the Bench, you only seem to believe in anything that suits you opinion.

 

[MNW67]

She did say it and it was confirmed in the House, you probably had to google about Hansard because you would never wish to learn the truth of what is said in Parliament verbatim from both sides of the Bench, you only seem to believe in anything that suits you opinion.

It wasn't confirmed in the House. It was alleged by the Opposition. Just listen to what she says in that video. She goes out of her way not to be trapped into saying what she is accused of saying.

 

[Notch7]

Not until their true Identities and Country of Origin can be proven and as the vast majority of these Illegal Migrants have either dumped or destroyed their Identity Paperwork and Passports because they wish to hide their Identities and previous history they are not given Asylum but they are often/usually granted leave to stay.

I am happy to correct all the errors in your post, as I prefer facts to opinions

1) a person can become an asylum seekers whilst their identity is being verified, they get an Asylum registration card at this point

2) its the asylum seekers responsibility to provide the evidence to support their claim

3) people on small boats throw away their paperwork because the smugglers tell them to -its not in the interests of those claiming asylum -see 2)

 

[rds60h]

No, because it can't be done without the agreement of France. Why would they allow it?

But the French could turn the dinghies back instead of escorting them until British vessels pick them up, especially as Britain have been paying the French Millions of Pounds to stop the Illegal Migrants crossing the Channel.

 

[MNW67]

But the French could turn the dinghies back instead of escorting them until British vessels pick them up, especially as Britain have been paying the French Millions of Pounds to stop the Illegal Migrants crossing the Channel.

The French could stop the dinghies before anyone even gets in them! They just don't want to.

 

[Notch7]

Have you ever heard of any of the dinghies being turned back or their occupants being taken back to France ? No because RNLI and Border Force and British Customs boats are picking the occupants of the dinghies (most of which are escorted by French Naval vessels) in French Waters and bringing them to Britain. You are the one who is confused.

Priti Patel tried to push a bill through parliament to enable Border Force / Navy to carry out push backs

but Border Force said no because there was no guarantee that Border Force agents could not be found criminally responsible if drownings happened as a result of their actions


Would you be happy to be a Border Force agent and carry out pushbacks which may result in deaths?

if an overloaded small boat was being pushed back and one of the occupants called for help.........the border force vessel would be requires to assist. Have a look at UNCLOS A98

hope that helps

 

[rds60h]

I am happy to correct all the errors in your post, as I prefer facts to opinions

1) a person can become an asylum seekers whilst their identity is being verified, they get an Asylum registration card at this point

2) its the asylum seekers responsibility to provide the evidence to support their claim

3) people on small boats throw away their paperwork because the smugglers tell them to -its not in the interests of those claiming asylum -see 2)

You contradict yourself in parts 2 and 3, As you say it is the responsibility of someone who wishes to seek Asylum to provide evidence to support a claim of Asylum (therefore until that proof has been given they are not officially Asylum Seekers) and then in 3 you state "it's not in the interests of those claiming asylum" so which is it, is it their responsibility to provide evidence or is it not in theirs interests ? Also as I said they are granted Leave to Stay not Asylum, to give them time to provide evidence.

 

[Notch7]

But the French could turn the dinghies back instead of escorting them until British vessels pick them up, especially as Britain have been paying the French Millions of Pounds to stop the Illegal Migrants crossing the Channel.

why would they do that?

If there were asylum seekers in England trying to leave to get to France. would you want the authorities to stop them leaving?

 

[ReganAndCarter]

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[MNW67]

Have a look at UNCLOS A98

Please, no!!!!!!!

 

[denso13]

But the French could turn the dinghies back instead of escorting them until British vessels pick them up, especially as Britain have been paying the French Millions of Pounds to stop the Illegal Migrants crossing the Channel.

They could if they wanted to but any deal needs approval by French citizens. Why would they keep all of them meaning we get none? Of course they won't.

 

[Notch7]

You contradict yourself in parts 2 and 3, As you say it is the responsibility of someone who wishes to seek Asylum to provide evidence to support a claim of Asylum (therefore until that proof has been given they are not officially Asylum Seekers) and then in 3 you state "it's not in the interests of those claiming asylum" so which is it, is it their responsibility to provide evidence or is it not in theirs interests ?

I explained why the contradiction:

"because the smugglers tell them to"

Also as I said they are granted Leave to Stay not Asylum, to give them time to provide evidence.

no thats incorrect

they have a legal status as an Asylum Seeker

asylum seekers fall under temporary migrant status, they are not granted leave to remain

there is an important distinction:

Asylum seekers to not have NRPF
leave to remain do have NRPF

NRPF = No Recourse to Public Funds

 

[motorbiking]

if an overloaded small boat was being pushed back and one of the occupants called for help.........the border force vessel would be requires to assist. Have a look at UNCLOS A98

hope that helps

Please, no!!!!!!!

I don't think Notch is arguing that the assisting vessel could not take the rescued seafarers back to France

 

[motorbiking]

I explained why the contradiction:

"because the smugglers tell them to"




no thats incorrect

they have a legal status as an Asylum Seeker

asylum seekers fall under temporary migrant status, they are not granted leave to remain

there is an important distinction:

Asylum seekers to not have NRPF
leave to remain do have NRPF

NRPF = No Recourse to Public Funds

I think you might have too many negatives in there.